Old Monster v. New Blue Jeans

jinjuku

ben62670 wrote: »

Silly silly boy. You really think a scope is going to tell you how good a cable will sound. I am sorry about the accident.
Ben

You discount a waveform on a precision instrument like a scope, and you call me retarded?

Thanks to you I have now found the biggest form of idiocy that I have personally experienced...

You are truly laughable. Again cables can be made to sound 'different' and then that difference 'marketed'.

jinjuku

ben62670 wrote: »

Oh joy a link to someone who can't hear the differences:rolleyes: We all heard the same exact thing when we hooked up the MIT's compared to mine, and some AR BB units.
Thanks again William. We all know you can't hear a difference.
Ben

Did you bother to read? I think Mr. Salk knows a thing or two about audio fidelity;)

jinjuku

Face wrote: »

From what I hear about Salk speakers, that's no surprise.

What have you heard?

jinjuku

F1nut wrote: »

Why, it's worthless test. Besides, you'd never go thru with it, so it's an easy question for you to ask.


I'll ask a better question. What experience do you have with what brand of cables and on what gear?

Monster Interlink LightSpeed 200 (2 meter) vs the Monoprice 2764 (6 foot)

Monster M850 (8ft pair) @ $120 vs Cablestogo 6ft SonicWave @$44 vs Cablesforless 12 foot Python @ $4 and some cables we made.

The speaker connections were some 12 AWG lamp cord and again some Monster cable 12AWG.

AMPS: NAD 272, Behringer A500, and my trusty Crown DC-300A (almost 30yrs old).

Pre/Pro: Pioneer Elite VSX-09TX and Yamaha-RXV659

Speakers: PSB Sychrony 2's. Tim is a dealer for PSB/NAD/Denon.

Between Brett, Jason, Chris, Tim, Roger and myself? None of us could tell the difference between the cabling. Didn't matter what we had hooked up. The NAD did better than either the A500 or the Crown-300A(I really wanted my 300 to come out on top, snif...) when really hopping on it.

What state you in? I wouldn't mind a double blind...

jinjuku

Keiko wrote: »

~yawn~

What does all this have to do with the OP's original question? Can't the seamonkeys find their way back to the abyss from whence they came?

Not to waste money on buying new cables. Because we all really know there is nil difference between a $1K set of Monster copper interconnects and a $80 pair from BJC.

disneyjoe7

Gee, 20 post Jinjuku and you have made a name for yourself.


20 post and funny just about your age too, or what you come across at.

jinjuku

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

Gee, 20 post Jinjuku and you have made a name for yourself.


20 post and funny just about your age too, or what you come across at.

Just dispelling idiots and their idiotic notions. It's the least I can do for humanity. You could do your part and be sterilized.

jinjuku

Keiko wrote: »

He's obviously trying to get his post count up so he can sell his BS in the FM.

Where exactly did the OP ask anything about a 1K set of Monster Cables?

He didn't. The 'collective you' were making a point about cables. I asked a question about a $1K pair of monster interconnects vs an $82 pair of BJC's.

The silence from the collective was deafening. Hell, even a post with (if taken at face value) with Jim Salk and MIT employees couldn't pick out their own product.

Again, I believe cables can be intentionally be made to sound different and then that difference marketed.

disneyjoe7

jinjuku wrote: »

You could do your part and be sterilized.

I have no desire to have kids, there's way too many here I can play with.

jinjuku

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

I have no desire to have kids, there's way too many here I can play with.

I guess you better get used to being picked last for dodge-ball then;)

disneyjoe7

jinjuku wrote: »

He didn't. The 'collective you' were making a point about cables. I asked a question about a $1K pair of monster interconnects vs an $82 pair of BJC's.

The silence from the collective was deafening. Hell, even a post with (if taken at face value) with Jim Salk and MIT employees couldn't pick out their own product.

Again, I believe cables can be intentionally be made to sound different and then that difference marketed.

Sorry I think you made you're own case, but you haven't seen it yet... So here it is.


Did you ever think $82 cable price is what the Monster cable is worth?

disneyjoe7

Jinjuku is just sooooooooooooooo Cute

comfortablycurt

Oh crap.

Seabiscuit got a new screen name.

Just close this thread now. It's in the forums best interest.

F1nut

Monster Interlink LightSpeed 200 (2 meter) vs the Monoprice 2764 (6 foot)

Monster M850 (8ft pair) @ $120 vs Cablestogo 6ft SonicWave @$44 vs Cablesforless 12 foot Python @ $4 and some cables we made.

The speaker connections were some 12 AWG lamp cord and again some Monster cable 12AWG.

AMPS: NAD 272, Behringer A500, and my trusty Crown DC-300A (almost 30yrs old).

Pre/Pro: Pioneer Elite VSX-09TX and Yamaha-RXV659

Speakers: PSB Sychrony 2's. Tim is a dealer for PSB/NAD/Denon.

You're basing your opinions on that? When you grow up and get some real gear you can come back and we'll talk about cables. Until then, any further discussion with you is pointless.

ben62670

WilliamM2 wrote: »

You obviously didn't read the link, it wasn't just "someone", it was representatives of MIT that couldn't hear the difference. Really makes you wonder how they "designed" the cables, since they can't tell them apart.

And you have yet to show that you can hear a difference. At least I tried, and have done legitimate blind testing.

You have yet to show I can't hear a difference:)
Very real situation. I hooked up some AR RCA cables from BB temporarily to my Denon 2900, and my buddy and I thought something went wrong with the SDA function of the speakers. We checked all the wiring, and nothing was messed up. I tested the speakers with my multimeter to see if something happened to one of the drivers. Nothing. Swapped out the cheapo AR RCA's for good RCA's, and guess what? Everything was fine again.
Thanks sweet William;)
Take care.
Ben

F1nut wrote: »

You're basing your opinions on that? When you grow up and get some real gear you can come back and we'll talk about cables. Until then, any further discussion with you is pointless.

HeHe. The entertainment factor is there. Sad and yet funny at the same time.

Face

Copied from another thread but it also applies here:

Quite the opposite. I've listened to many different types of speaker cables, interconnects, and power cords in my rig. Some sounded the same, some similar, some vastly different. To judge a cable by it's price, say all cables sound the same, or to spew any of that crap from AH is being plain ignorant.

There are times where one may not be able to tell the difference between cables, if the equipment isn't very revealing, the room has poor acoustics, source material, or the cable selection is of very similar designed/voiced cables, or a combination of those factors.

I wouldn't expect to hear a big difference between BJC, Rat Shack, or the lower monster lines, but there may be some subtle differences. But comparing them to other cables from Goertz, MIT, BW Audio, Audioquest, etc...the difference should be more than subtle.

Ricardo

jinjuku wrote: »

Monster Interlink LightSpeed 200 (2 meter) vs the Monoprice 2764 (6 foot)

Monster M850 (8ft pair) @ $120 vs Cablestogo 6ft SonicWave @$44 vs Cablesforless 12 foot Python @ $4 and some cables we made.

The speaker connections were some 12 AWG lamp cord and again some Monster cable 12AWG.

AMPS: NAD 272, Behringer A500, and my trusty Crown DC-300A (almost 30yrs old).

Pre/Pro: Pioneer Elite VSX-09TX and Yamaha-RXV659

Speakers: PSB Sychrony 2's. Tim is a dealer for PSB/NAD/Denon.

Between Brett, Jason, Chris, Tim, Roger and myself? None of us could tell the difference between the cabling. Didn't matter what we had hooked up. The NAD did better than either the A500 or the Crown-300A(I really wanted my 300 to come out on top, snif...) when really hopping on it.

What state you in? I wouldn't mind a double blind...

No wonder you guys couldn't tell the difference. You'll be fine with any monoprice cables.

jinjuku

F1nut wrote: »

You're basing your opinions on that? When you grow up and get some real gear you can come back and we'll talk about cables. Until then, any further discussion with you is pointless.

Oh, so as long as it's YOU picking the 'real gear' it's ok... :rolleyes:

Truly laughable.

jinjuku

The point that I was trying to make has now been made. In 2 pages of posts you have shown your collective idiocy for any one reading to see (which ultimately is my goal).

Snobbery at it's best. Yep NAD, Pioneer Elite, PSB products are utter ****, bottom of the barrel:rolleyes: Sorry that it wasn't Classe', Bryston, Wilson Audio, Mark Levinson. I keep forgetting they are the only ones capable of making a quality product.

If your high end cables are so spectacular, why can they only make $20-$40k worth of gear sound even better?

You two stooges aren't even smart enough to be Moe.

Face

jinjuku wrote: »

Monster Interlink LightSpeed 200 (2 meter) vs the Monoprice 2764 (6 foot)

Monster M850 (8ft pair) @ $120 vs Cablestogo 6ft SonicWave @$44 vs Cablesforless 12 foot Python @ $4 and some cables we made.

The speaker connections were some 12 AWG lamp cord and again some Monster cable 12AWG.

AMPS: NAD 272, Behringer A500, and my trusty Crown DC-300A (almost 30yrs old).

Pre/Pro: Pioneer Elite VSX-09TX and Yamaha-RXV659

Speakers: PSB Sychrony 2's. Tim is a dealer for PSB/NAD/Denon.

Behringer, Crown and an old receiver and you couldn't hear a difference, what a surprise.

As for PSB, they're the nicest sounding poor imaging speaker I've ever heard.

jinjuku

Face wrote: »

Behringer, Crown and an old receiver and you couldn't hear a difference, what a surprise.

As for PSB, they're the nicest sounding poor imaging speaker I've ever heard.

Just a mix of Amps: one old, one low cost, one High(er) end . Nothing wrong with the Pioneer Elite. It was primarily serving duty as a Pre/Pro. The Yammy was representative of an affordable 'baseline' component.

While we couldn't tell a difference in the interconnects, we could tell a difference with the amplification (especially when getting on it a little bit). So we were able to perceive differences of sound and had a preference.

PSB makes a nice speaker. I preferred them over the Paradigm's and Mirage we had a chance to listen too. Factory rep's will bring that stuff around for us. Both the Paradigm and Mirage sounded good. Just not my preference.

The Sunfire equipment we have had a chance to play with in the past is absolutely drool worthy.

ben62670

Ya know Jin I have been thinking about what you have been saying, and... Well I think your family should consider reproducing outside the sister/first cousin part of your family. I think you would be much better off with offspring if your family would at least consider 2nd cousins, of even think outside the box and not even include family period for reproductive purposes. I know nothing says lovin like your sister or your cousin, but just because it feels good it don't make it right. BTW once piece of crap in the audio chain kills anything you have good.
Take care.
Ben

ben62670

jinjuku wrote: »

Not to waste money on buying new cables. Because we all really know there is nil difference between a $1K set of Monster copper interconnects and a $80 pair from BJC.

Very good example of ignorance here. Retail 1k ~M~'s are really not impressive to most of us hear. ~M~ never sells for retail, because most ~M~ buyers (me in the past buying them "on sale":o)don't know their butts from their elbows so they see cables that retail for 1k at $300 and think the big fatties are the shiznit.
Thanks
Ben

RyanJoz

F1nut wrote: »

You're basing your opinions on that? When you grow up and get some real gear you can come back and we'll talk about cables. Until then, any further discussion with you is pointless.

Whether you agree with his opinion or not about cable, the idea of a message board is to be informative, not belittle another person. It can be intimidating for us newbies to post any questions about anything without someone saying "spend 400 bucks on IC's or you're wasting your money". The differences cables have can be impressive and that 1% gain might be for the few who pay attention to every single little detail, but for the average guy, a mid priced cable will suffice. I agree there have been a lot of shenanigans on here about cable, and I am not talking to only you Jesse, but to all of you. GROW UP AND QUIT ARGUING. My father once said, "You can't teach stupid." Some people will refuse to believe even the most technical study done by qualified engineers. Others will take the word of a person who has an Aiwa shelf unit and take it for gold.

ben62670

RyanJoz wrote: »

Whether you agree with his opinion or not about cable, the idea of a message board is to be informative, not belittle another person. It can be intimidating for us newbies to post any questions about anything without someone saying "spend 400 bucks on IC's or you're wasting your money". The differences cables have can be impressive and that 1% gain might be for the few who pay attention to every single little detail, but for the average guy, a mid priced cable will suffice. I agree there have been a lot of shenanigans on here about cable, and I am not talking to only you Jesse, but to all of you. GROW UP AND QUIT ARGUING. My father once said, "You can't teach stupid." Some people will refuse to believe even the most technical study done by qualified engineers. Others will take the word of a person who has an Aiwa shelf unit and take it for gold.

Another tard sticking up for some douchebag that came on here with only one intention. Just to start crap. Yeah:rolleyes: Please take your opinion and insert it in your anal cavity. There is more to it than what you see. If he was serious about sharing nobody would give him crap, but he is not. I never saw anyone putting a price on cables except said ****. Thanks for stopping in.
I am not Paul Harvey.
Good Day.

RyanJoz

ben62670 wrote: »

Another tard sticking up for some douchebag that came on here with only one intention. Just to start crap. Yeah:rolleyes: Please take your opinion and insert it in your anal cavity. There is more to it than what you see. If he was serious about sharing nobody would give him crap, but he is not. I never saw anyone putting a price on cables except said ****. Thanks for stopping in.
I am not Paul Harvey.
Good Day.

may not be paul harvey but you sure do have one hell of an ego.

disneyjoe7

RyanJoz wrote: »

Whether you agree with his opinion or not about cable, the idea of a message board is to be informative, not belittle another person.

Add another to Ignore list.


Anyone know if there's a limit?

ben62670

RyanJoz wrote: »

may not be paul harvey but you sure do have one hell of an ego.

Not really. I used to think most of these guys were egotistical morons with more money than brains, but a fellow Polkie stopped by to let me audition some cables and it has changed my listening experience drastically. If you are ever in the ATL GA area you are more than welcome to stop in. Also if you can find a Polkie near by go listen for yourself. Polkies tend to be good people.
Ben

jinjuku

So what cable companies offer a no obligation evaluation of their interconnects?

I know with my company we keep demo items that we lend out with a hold on a credit card. If the customer doesn't like it they send it back, no harm, no foul. If they like it we send a new unit and pay for the return shipping on the demo.

jinjuku

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

Add another to Ignore list.


Anyone know if there's a limit?

I know the ignore list at least allows for 1;)