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edited March 2009 in The Clubhouse
In this country, all 50 states require motorists to have car insurance. However, because tracking the status of a driver's insurance is up to local and state governments, many uninsured drivers are able to avoid detection unless they're stopped for other offenses. That's set to change, as a company called InsureNet is looking to simplify the detection of uninsured drivers by building a list of the nation's uninsured and allowing law enforcement officials to access the list in order to match license plates against it.

InsureNet envisions police and traffic cameras being able to immediately check the status of a vehicle's insurance and, if necessary, issue a citation on the spot or through the mail.

The city of Chicago (no surprise) has already expressed interest in the system, believing that it could raise up to $100 million annually through increased fines, not to mention reduce the number of uninsured drivers on the road, which is estimated at about 16-percent nationwide.

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  • Posts: 7,601
    edited March 2009
    Coming.......I thought he'd been here for years.

    I could care less, I have nothing left to hide. I also feel that I shouldn't have to hide anything from anyone...as it's none of the **** business, unless I want it to be.
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  • Posts: 1,210
    edited March 2009
    I think it's a good idea the less uninsured drivers the better.
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  • Posts: 19,725
    edited March 2009
    Unconstitutional.
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  • Posts: 11,435
    edited March 2009
    This is just a tax to the people, which effects to ones whom can't afford it in the first place.

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  • Posts: 7,601
    edited March 2009
    I think it's a good idea the less uninsured drivers the better.


    As a person who has been struck by the uninsured, it is great, but the Jesse's pointing to the larger picture, imo.

    To quote Roger Waters..."All in it's just another brick in the Wall"
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
  • Posts: 15,969
    edited March 2009
    So when the monopolist InsureNet EF's up reporting no insurance we get screwed. I'll pass. Who is going to pay for this service? I am trying to remember who is from Chicago...
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  • Posts: 1,378
    edited March 2009
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Unconstitutional.


    ditto but it's happenin---big bro is near
  • Posts: 955
    edited March 2009
    Wouldn't need a big brother if the world wasn't full of idiots. Sadly the world is full of idiots thus big brother is required. (No comment on big brothers effectiveness or competence. That is a separate debate)
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  • Posts: 5,218
    edited March 2009
    First Car Insurance . . . then Pet Licenses . . . then what else? Sooner or later one will hit a cord with you. It's an invasion plain and simple.

    It's like the smoking ban, it sounds great for non-smokers. But then they go and regulate trans-fats, and now all the fast food in NYC tastes like ****.
  • Posts: 5,651
    edited March 2009
    It's been that way for years in NY state. No insurance- they send
    a trooper out to pick up your plates. Here in Texas over 30% are
    uninsured. Drunks with no insurance keep crashing over and over.
    They hit a car and bail. Same with "undocumented workers".
    And any other number of ***holes. I carry insurance. They
    can sue me in an accident, but good luck getting money from them.
    I say go for it. For once, let uncle sam bother someone who deserves
    it.
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  • Posts: 5,218
    edited March 2009
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    It's been that way for years in NY state. No insurance- they send
    a trooper out to pick up your plates. Here in Texas over 30% are
    uninsured. Drunks with no insurance keep crashing over and over.
    They hit a car and bail. Same with "undocumented workers".
    And any other number of ***holes. I carry insurance. They
    can sue me in an accident, but good luck getting money from them.
    I say go for it. For once, let uncle sam bother someone who deserves
    it.

    It starts there but where does it end?
  • Posts: 920
    edited March 2009
    The problem with this new tracking system, is that it will likely only affect honest people who have been late getting their insurance paid. Typically here, people who are caught without insurance, are people who have been charged with DWI, or don't have a valid drivers licience for some reason and have nothing to lose in the first place. It may get some idiots off the street but they won't have money for the fines anyway. If you jail them for non payment of fines, it will cost the taxpayers more than the revenue created by the fines. That leaves us with another way for our governments to track us. IMO
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  • Posts: 15,251
    edited March 2009
    There already is a national database that employers can check to see if you are a legal resident. I started a new job in November and was flagged as an illegal. Granted, I occasionaly engage in illegal activities, purely for medical reasons, but I was born in this country. It turns out they entered my SSN wrong, but it caused a bunch of grief until we figured out that was the issue.

    This system is going to have even more mistakes made along that line.

    The real problem coming will be when mandatory GPS is part of the car, and it will broadcast the car's location, along with the license plate number, and driver to the TSA. The technology exists, and it is just time before it is needed to save us from terrorists.
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  • Posts: 6,501
    edited March 2009
    I loathe big brother as much as the next guy, but to be honest I might be ok with this. I am not a big fan of uninsured drivers.
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  • Posts: 10,822
    edited March 2009
    F1Nut wrote:
    In this country, all 50 states require motorists to have car insurance.

    Untrue. I know at least NH does NOT require motorists to have insurance; I'm guessing we are not the only state, but we may be.
    phipiper10 wrote: »
    Wouldn't need a big brother if the world wasn't full of idiots. Sadly the world is full of idiots thus big brother is required. (No comment on big brothers effectiveness or competence. That is a separate debate)

    I mean this with as much respect as possible, but if you really think this way, you are a far bigger idiot than the people you think you are being protected from. Everything about this post is moronic. Thinking we need a Big Brother figure to protect us from idiots is lunacy, and insisting that the efficacy of such a system is somehow separate from the insistence that it exist is an idea I can't even comprehend. A system that relies completely on a governing body to function is inherently broken, excatly because the governing body can never be effective while still permitting those governed to maintain a reasonable level of freedom.
    ohskigod wrote:
    I loathe big brother as much as the next guy, but to be honest I might be ok with this. I am not a big fan of uninsured drivers.

    Not to sound too paranoid, but this is exactly why they try to pass these laws on "emotional" issues. Nearly everyone with insurance has had some sort of run-in wiht an uninsured motorist, so emotionally we all react to this news by supporting it emotionally despite disagreeing intellectually. Then the foot is in the door so to speak. Just like someone mentioned the smoking laws; all non-smokers supported these laws because emotionally they all got sick of coming home from a bar smelling like smoke. Now the door is open for trans-fats and soon sugars and whatever else is going to be banned.
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  • Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2009
    As someone who has had been crashed into twice, with lots of damage by uninsured motorists....I am a huge proponent of NO INSURANCE...NO DRIVING. The methodology of this company may be too invasive...but something has to be done. There has to be a way to get these people off the roads. The other problem is with the people who have no license and are on the roads. I don't want too much big brother...but it's time the rights of the law abiding citizens who do the right thing are protected and shielded against loss because of those with no insurance and/or no license. Maybe the penalties need to be stiffer...like loss of the vehicle.
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  • Posts: 7,601
    edited March 2009
    There's a reason I carry an uninsured rider on my policy. It sucks, but it's not a very large part of the premium.

    What gets me, is most state's minimums won't cover a friggin Yugo being totaled, much less a Benz, Bmw, Audi, Ferrari or just the typical full size pickup(avg msrp $37000).
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  • Posts: 4,413
    edited March 2009
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Unconstitutional.

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  • Posts: 15,969
    edited March 2009
    Well most uninsured aren't registered either so the argument that this BS would stop uninsured drivers is BS for the most part.
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  • Posts: 14,873
    edited March 2009
    You mean car insurance isn't already manditory in every state.What recourse do you have if uninsured driver causes an accident and totals your car or worse seriously injures you.If he doesn't have a dime to his name you would be SOL would you not?
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  • Posts: 19,537
    edited March 2009
    Just another way for someone to capitalize (aka MAKE MONEY) by exploiting your right to privacy.

    Commendable in theory, **** in practice.

    Gotta love this "appealing to your fears" way of selling **** (service). Screw the many so a few can feel better; meanwhile we make a ton of money Tad... F that

    ****, just hang a goddam bell around our necks. That'll keep us in check.

    No surprise that Kalicago is "on board" surely Colofornia will be next.
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  • Posts: 15,969
    edited March 2009
    GV#27 wrote: »
    You mean car insurance isn't already manditory in every state.What recourse do you have if uninsured driver causes an accident and totals your car or worse seriously injures you.If he doesn't have a dime to his name you would be SOL would you not?

    Uninsured driver insurance on your part. It is cheap, and worth it;)
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  • Posts: 1,514
    edited March 2009
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    ..........

    Not to sound too paranoid, but this is exactly why they try to pass these laws on "emotional" issues. Nearly everyone with insurance has had some sort of run-in wiht an uninsured motorist, so emotionally we all react to this news by supporting it emotionally despite disagreeing intellectually. Then the foot is in the door so to speak. Just like someone mentioned the smoking laws; all non-smokers supported these laws because emotionally they all got sick of coming home from a bar smelling like smoke. Now the door is open for trans-fats and soon sugars and whatever else is going to be banned.
    How true!

    "Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner will push for unprecedented new regulatory powers on Tuesday to seize financial institutions whose failure would pose serious risks to the U.S. financial system, according to two senior administration officials."

    This is not only companies that got bail out bucks, but any financial institute deemed a risk. Or not being run to their liking. With public sentiment/emotions so strong about the AIG's and Wall Street, makes it an easy mark. We are slowly but steadily loosing what made this country what it is(was??)
  • Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2009
    There is something similar in place here already, except it's equipped on police cars.
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  • Posts: 7,601
    edited March 2009
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
  • Posts: 14,873
    edited March 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Uninsured driver insurance on your part. It is cheap, and worth it;)
    Oh so you can buy insurance for those that don't want to.:eek:
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  • Posts: 19,537
    edited March 2009
    ...and your other option would be? As F'd up as it is--what else can you do. I'd much rather pay a little more for uninsured motorist, than have a friggin microchip shoved up my ****.
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  • Posts: 15,969
    edited March 2009
    GV#27 wrote: »
    Oh so you can buy insurance for those that don't want to.:eek:

    Not really. The fact is there are a lot of people out there with no licensees, registration, and insurance. The little bit extra I paid is s drop in the well. They will never make all the illegals illegal. That is a cold hard fact. I'll pay the couple extra bucks to cover me and my family.
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  • Posts: 14,873
    edited March 2009
    Yeah I guess you have to do it, not doing so would be very risky I would think.
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