Maurice
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I guess they don't care about anything but cashing in... MrNightly didn't even received a shipment and they still tell him they can't do anything for him!so, I guess as long as you ship something, PP does not care what and the quality of it.
Conclusion: Avoid any dealing with Maurice AND PP at all cost as it simply means TROUBLEDARE TO SOAR:
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I guess they don't care about anything but cashing in... MrNightly didn't even received a shipment and they still tell him they can't do anything for him!
Conclusion: Avoid any dealing with Maurice AND PP at all cost as it simply means TROUBLE
I don't understand why some think that PP should be responsible for things like this. It is a convenient way to send and receive money -- that's it. It's quicker than sending a check and waiting for it to cash. If you send a check to someone you have no protection either, so what's the difference?
Everyone knows they are taking some chances when buying used from an individual. I personally think it's worth the risk as long as you're careful and try and screen the seller as best as you can. But eventually someone is going to get screwed and while it would be nice to make PP responsible, I just don't see how they are. Over the long run buying used is still a good way to get great product for a lot less money, even with a bad egg thrown in every so often.
Even the buyer protection from credit card companies will not always protect against this sort of thing, and CC companies make a lot more money in interest off their customers than the one-time fee PayPal charges per shipment, so they can afford to offer more services.
Bottom line is we all know the risks, we do what we can to prevent them, but I don't see how we can complain when someone else won't pay for it.Speakers: Polk LSi15
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I don't understand why some think that PP should be responsible for things like this. It is a convenient way to send and receive money -- that's it. It's quicker than sending a check and waiting for it to cash. If you send a check to someone you have no protection either, so what's the difference?
Everyone knows they are taking some chances when buying used from an individual. I personally think it's worth the risk as long as you're careful and try and screen the seller as best as you can. But eventually someone is going to get screwed and while it would be nice to make PP responsible, I just don't see how they are. Over the long run buying used is still a good way to get great product for a lot less money, even with a bad egg thrown in every so often.
Even the buyer protection from credit card companies will not always protect against this sort of thing, and CC companies make a lot more money in interest off their customers than the one-time fee PayPal charges per shipment, so they can afford to offer more services.
Bottom line is we all know the risks, we do what we can to prevent them, but I don't see how we can complain when someone else won't pay for it.
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have used PP for over 1,000 transactions and never a problem......I also agree its not the fault of PP for dead beat sellers.....buyer beware......more and more CC companies are not protecting against bad sales between private parties.... -
I don't understand why some think that PP should be responsible for things like this. It is a convenient way to send and receive money -- that's it. It's quicker than sending a check and waiting for it to cash. If you send a check to someone you have no protection either, so what's the difference?
Everyone knows they are taking some chances when buying used from an individual. I personally think it's worth the risk as long as you're careful and try and screen the seller as best as you can. But eventually someone is going to get screwed and while it would be nice to make PP responsible, I just don't see how they are. Over the long run buying used is still a good way to get great product for a lot less money, even with a bad egg thrown in every so often.
Even the buyer protection from credit card companies will not always protect against this sort of thing, and CC companies make a lot more money in interest off their customers than the one-time fee PayPal charges per shipment, so they can afford to offer more services.
Bottom line is we all know the risks, we do what we can to prevent them, but I don't see how we can complain when someone else won't pay for it.
At last someone sees it clearly. Why would you blame Paypal for Maurice's issues? They just provide the service. You use it and pay the fee, or you don't.
Ebay is a whole different situation. They do provide a Buyer's protection service, and it works. I had two bad experiences as a buyer; one the seller didn't ship, and the other one the seller shipped a damaged unit. In both cases, I got my money back, from Paypal.
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I guess they don't care about anything but cashing in... MrNightly didn't even received a shipment and they still tell him they can't do anything for him!
Conclusion: Avoid any dealing with Maurice AND PP at all cost as it simply means TROUBLE
Please explain why and what PP should do to correct this sale between 2 private parties? Refunding $$$$ would open them up to fraud cases galore..... -
If you send a check to someone you have no protection either, so what's the difference?
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paypal sucks
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PP is simply not constant in their policy. Why would one pay for this service if you get it through your CC (especially with even greater protection being implemented)? Of course we can not lay on PP's shoulder Maurice's behavior but we still have to question our self for what we are paying for.At last someone sees it clearly. Why would you blame Paypal for Maurice's issues? They just provide the service. You use it and pay the fee, or you don't.
Ebay is a whole different situation. They do provide a Buyer's protection service, and it works. I had two bad experiences as a buyer; one the seller didn't ship, and the other one the seller shipped a damaged unit. In both cases, I got my money back, from Paypal.
Viva Paypal.DARE TO SOAR:
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Please read Brett 22's new thread regarding Deadbeat Deals here.
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Ain't it the main reason fro PP to exist, avoid fraud?? Why is the protection policy different on eBay than elswhere? Are we to believe their fee are much higher on eBay due to greater coverage offered? If it works with eBay, NO reason not to work on other opportunites. If any Joe Blow can set account with them without any checking then what is the sense of using them? Just to burn hard earn money we don't know what to do with??Please explain why and what PP should do to correct this sale between 2 private parties? Refunding $$$$ would open them up to fraud cases galore.....DARE TO SOAR:
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PP is simply not constant in their policy. Why would one pay for this service if you get it through your CC (especially with even greater protection being implemented)? Of course we can not lay on PP's shoulder Maurice's behavior but we still have to question our self for what we are paying for.
Because individuals don't carry credit card merchant services. How would you receive a CC payment if it weren't for paypal? CC merchant services are expensive, and PP brings that functionality to the masses quite inexpensively.Speakers: Polk LSi15
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I personally am NOT blaming PP for the blatant stealing and wrong doing of Maurice and have used them for a long time and continue to use them.
but Technokid is right, they are simply not consistent in their policies. For example, in 1 case, they gave me back my money as the guy never shipped the item. But, they will not for MrNightly? Why? What's the difference? In places, when you read their policies, they talk about protection from defective or misrepresented items.. that is what mine was, why no help? I had another issue where when I called for a defective item I was told they would gladly help, BUT since the person did not have money in their account, they could do nothing. so that seems contrary to others and my own experiences at other times. Also, what DOES irk me about PP as the protection they "elude" to, but do not always really provide. So in a way, on the surface they clearly entice you to us their service and clearly elude to this protection on the surface, protection we all value, but then if you actually have it go down poorly and need to call upon some protection, they often have some fine print that lets them off the hook.
anyway, the point is, it really seems they are inconsistent in policies and not sure if the amount in question makes the difference as to whether they help or not. -
PayPal is used like a conveience store because it's easy to access and it's quick. WesternUnion and other similar services charge even more than 3.1% and offer even less in the way of protection. There is no way that PayPal can be held responsible for goods being sold outside of Ebay and lots of times even on Ebay. They would be broke in a matter of weeks if not sooner due to scammers and thieves if they offered to refund money sent for items not as described or not sent at all. For instance if I was a scammer I could get together with a fellow scammer have him send me money via PayPal for a set of mono block tube amps for $2500.00 and then I tell them I have never received the items or that they didnt work and get my money back for items that never existed in the first place and we would split the money because of my fellow scammer has withdrawn the funds from his paypal account minus the 3.1% percent of course and now PayPal has to fork over the other 96.5%it's ludicrous to expect PayPal to accept these kinds of losses. They are simply a quick easy way to send money to someone from your computer. If you get ripped off you will still be ripped off no matter how the money was sent other than CC protection and even CC companys have lots of little clauses that you need to read to see if you really are protected.
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paypal sucks.
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Replete with suckiosity, I might add.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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Ain't it the main reason fro PP to exist, avoid fraud?? Why is the protection policy different on eBay than elswhere? Are we to believe their fee are much higher on eBay due to greater coverage offered? If it works with eBay, NO reason not to work on other opportunites. If any Joe Blow can set account with them without any checking then what is the sense of using them? Just to burn hard earn money we don't know what to do with??
Do you even know who owns and runs PayPal ???
please explain how they can police every sale outside of Ebay ?
and NO PP doesnt exist to prevent fraud......... the protection is an so call added benefit
PP exists to act as a middleman for the exchange of payments
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