Trade my Dynaudios+sub for Tyler Linbrook Sig. System?

Ern Dog
Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
edited March 2009 in 2 Channel Audio
So here is my situation....
I just got a new Velo SPL-1500R a couple days ago- haven't even really had a chance to get it dialed in and tweak it yet. Combined with my Dynaudio's, they're a match made in heaven. But I have an opportunity to upgrade to Tyler Acoustics Linbrook Signature System (2 piece) and I'd have to sell the sub and Dynos to have enough to pay for the Linbrooks.

I'm thinking those bass modules will have enough low end power that I won't need a sub, but not sure because I really love bass and don't want to miss out on any. Any input on this would be appreciated. Ern Dog
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited February 2009
    Tough call. I had the one piece Linbrook system, and Dynaudio contour 1.3 Mk II. Although the Tylers are excellent speakers, if I had to choose I'd keep the Danes. Not sure how different your Focus sound though.

    So, I am not sure that would be an upgrade ;)
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited February 2009
    Once you get the bad **** SPL-1500R dialed in...I don't think they'll be a shred of boubt as to why you were even thinking of swapping them out. With that combo you have, making that switch is not an upgrade in my book.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited February 2009
    I gotta agree here. The Focus 220's are way badass speakers, mated with a 1500 Velo??? Damn man, I can just hear them now... I'm in love.

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  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited February 2009
    Damn! That's not what I wanted to hear. I might have to just buy it, then compare both systems and keep the best. This way I'll know for sure.

    I spent time getting the Velo dialed in and WOW! That sucker goes down to 15hz and beyond! :eek: I just listened to Gladiator soundtrack and it was amazing. The bass is super low and tight and clean.
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  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited February 2009
    Zero wrote: »
    I've had both the Dynaudio Focus series and the Tyler Linbrook. Both are solid. Keep the Danes.

    Hey Sean! Can you tell me more specifically what the Danes do better than the Linbrooks?
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  • phipiper10
    phipiper10 Posts: 955
    edited February 2009
    I'm not an audiophile but figured I throw in my .02. I prefer the Linbrook Monitors to the Focus 220. I can't talk to the Linbrook Signature system however.

    I auditioned the 220s at the Goodwins Highend in Waltham MA. They were the first speaker I had really listened to before moving on from my original RT800Is.

    At the time or around then I listed to Focals and even brought home the LSI 15s for in home demo. While at home I already had the Linbrooks lined up. So was able put the 15s head to head with the Tylers.

    In my mind even now the Linbrooks bested them all. Again this is just one man's opinion.

    Here is my review of the Dynaudio's shortly after listening.
    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/show...ight=focus+220

    Then my review of the Linbrooks shortly after in comparison to the 15s(not in comparison to the Dynaudios since I didn't bring them home)
    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52692&highlight=lsi15

    Hope this is helpful.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited February 2009
    I was PMd regarding this thread --

    Having not heard either speaker - it is hard for me to comment...

    So, no idea, but I am sure the Linbrook system is sweet no doubt...
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  • phipiper10
    phipiper10 Posts: 955
    edited February 2009
    odd that first link didn't work I'll try again or of course you could search.
    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49123&highlight=dynaudio
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited February 2009
    Zero wrote: »
    Here's the deal, or at least according to my perspective. There is no real champion between the two, as each play to different strengths. For example:

    The Dynaudio's have a dark and reserve presentation. The Tyler Linbrooks by contrast, are more open and forward sounding speakers. The Dynaudio's have a thick and full character that gives the music a lot of bloom and weight - whereas the Tylers are more about agility and speed. The Dynaudio's soundstage is a bit more focused in-between the speakers and has great instrument separation within that sound-stage, whereas the Tyler's have a wider and deeper sound-stage, albiet not quite as precise. The Dynaudio speakers tend to sound best on high power solid state gear. The Tylers seem to strut their stuff best when fed some valve love.

    As for distinct advantages and disadvantages:

    *Dynaudio loudspeakers will typically have better resale value. Although it's not great at the moment (for reasons beyond audio), typically they fetch a consistent price.

    *Unlike Tyler Acoustics, Dynaudio is important to high end audio and have done many things to help improve the industry as a whole. You are supporting a brand that helps keep hi-fi alive.

    *An added benefit is that your current speakers were designed and assembled in Denmark. Practically the parts inside of your loudspeakers were made by Dynaudio. Tyler Acoustic speakers are designed by a 3rd party company and housed in a pretty cabinet. Nothing more.

    *Finally - you seem to be digging your system as it is. Why change a good thing (unless you can bring home both sets at the same time)?


    Before the Tyler Acoustic fanboy's come and jump on my ****, let me at least state that I have enjoyed Tyler's products in the past and feel they represent a very solid value. I've spent hours on the phone with Ty, bullshittin' about more than just audio. I've also met the man in person and checked out his latest goods. He's one of the good guys, and his Linbrook line is something special. That said, I was asked what advantages I felt Dynaudio has over his products, and I responded as bluntly and honestly as I could. </end disclaimer.
    Your discription of the Dynaudio sound is pretty on man. You did forget how deep and clear they are. How real to the music they stay, how they can make you forget you are listening to speakers and not a live band. How they pull you out of your life and allow you to dig deep into your inner self...

    I could go on and on how I feel Dynaudio speakers sound. Dynaudio will always be apart of my life. Next up for me is a killer 2 channel Dynaudio system. Can't wait to build it.

    Dynaudio makes there own stuff. Not many speaker companies can claim that.

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  • BottomFeeder
    BottomFeeder Posts: 1,684
    edited February 2009
    Terrific, Ernie! Now that I've finally dropped major coin - for me anyway - & bought some great speakers (thanks, Sean!), NOW you start thinking about selling your Dynaudios!
    A pox on you! :D

    How cool that you could even consider buying another system, comparing the two & selling the one least liked. I wanna be you!
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  • phipiper10
    phipiper10 Posts: 955
    edited February 2009
    BottomFeeder wrote: »
    Terrific, Ernie! Now that I've finally dropped major coin - for me anyway - & bought some great speakers (thanks, Sean!), NOW you start thinking about selling your Dynaudios!
    A pox on you! :D

    How cool that you could even consider buying another system, comparing the two & selling the one least liked. I wanna be you!

    Yep, bring in both for a shootout! Then you can decide based on first hand listening.

    Can't wait to hear the results!
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited February 2009
    Hey man, long time no see.
    What's the sensitivity rating on the Tylers? Don't forget that your Amp-2 really like 8 ohms and 90db+ sensitivity.
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  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited February 2009
    Sean- As always, thanks for your in-depth perspective on both. I've been listening to more classical music lately and the Dynos sound a tad lean to my ears. With Jazz and Rock the Dynos kick arse! So my main motivation for this next decision is to have a fuller and meatier sound.

    Mantis- Which Dynos are you planning on getting for your 2-ch rig? Wanna buy some Focus 220's? ha ha ha j/k I know you're selling all your speakers.

    Rich- thanks for your perspective on both as well. I don't think I'll be able to figure this out on a forum. The only way to know for sure is to listen to them both and let my ears decide.

    Organ- I initially had that same concern. I've read that the Linbrooks are fairly easy to drive and sound great even with low powered amps. The Dynos are 4 ohm & 87db and my monoblocks drive them like a Tyrant. So no worries there.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited March 2009
    Ern Dog wrote: »
    Sean- As always, thanks for your in-depth perspective on both. I've been listening to more classical music lately and the Dynos sound a tad lean to my ears. With Jazz and Rock the Dynos kick arse! So my main motivation for this next decision is to have a fuller and meatier sound.

    Mantis- Which Dynos are you planning on getting for your 2-ch rig? Wanna buy some Focus 220's? ha ha ha j/k I know you're selling all your speakers.

    Rich- thanks for your perspective on both as well. I don't think I'll be able to figure this out on a forum. The only way to know for sure is to listen to them both and let my ears decide.

    Organ- I initially had that same concern. I've read that the Linbrooks are fairly easy to drive and sound great even with low powered amps. The Dynos are 4 ohm & 87db and my monoblocks drive them like a Tyrant. So no worries there.
    I'm thinking of the Focus 360's or Contour 5.4's. Thanks for the offer but I would keep my Audience 82's over the Focus 220's. They don't offer enough of a upgrade. But they are a sweet pair of speakers. I would really like to buy my dream speakers in the C4's but they are out of my price range....Ahh a man can dream.

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  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited March 2009
    Well I pulled the trigger on the Linbrooks to do a head to head comparison. The winner gets to stay. :D Here's a pic of the one's I'm getting. I think I like the mixed cherry/maple finish- not sure yet though. Their sound is my 1st priority. This is going to be soo much fun, I can't wait! :)

    Going in to this, I have to admit that I have a slight bias towards the Linbrooks, even though I've never heard them. We'll see. And I'm not getting the center channel in the picture.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited March 2009
    Very Nice rig,is that a 4B SST driving those speaks?
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  • phipiper10
    phipiper10 Posts: 955
    edited March 2009
    Nice Work Sir! Should be fun.
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  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited March 2009
    GV#27 wrote: »
    Very Nice rig,is that a 4B SST driving those speaks?

    It is a nice rig, but it's not mine. This is a pic I got from the seller. And yes that's a 4B SSt!
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited March 2009
    Zero wrote: »
    Awesome. Those look beautiful. I'm sure you'll enjoy them.

    Sometime's, its good to have a bit of change...

    Sometimes thats what it takes. Change is very very good.

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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited March 2009
    Ern Dog wrote: »
    It is a nice rig, but it's not mine.
    Oh ok thought it was yours.Not only are speaks very cosmetically appeally but they use the excellent SEAS Excel mid/ woofers and Millenium tweet.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited March 2009
    mantis wrote: »

    Dynaudio makes there own stuff.
    Yeah and I'm still mad at them for pulling out of the DIY driver market several years ago.:(
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited March 2009
    Sounds good. You'll be able to let the AZ really do its thing now. Don't worry about the 4B SST, you have a MUCH better amp:).
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited March 2009
    organ wrote: »
    Don't worry about the 4B SST, you have a MUCH better amp:).
    Yeah,deep, tight and powerfull bass,neutral yet detailed sounding mids and highs.And having very low noise and gobs of dynamic power/low impedance drive capability etc. is overrated;).:D
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited March 2009
    GV#27 wrote: »
    Yeah,deep, tight and powerfull bass,neutral yet detailed sounding mids and highs.And having very low noise and gobs of dynamic power/low impedance drive capability etc. is overrated;).:D

    www.6moons.com/audioreviews/audiozone/amp2.html.

    Direct comparison was made to the Bryston.
    Well, I didn't specify in my previous post, but what I really meant was, his amp is better for driving highly eff. speakers. I wouldn't use a beast to power something that could easily be powered by low power tube amps.

    I see that you're location is Ontario. Whereabouts are you? You should visit the shop on Queen st. and give them a listen. That's where they're made. Amazing amps.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited March 2009
    organ wrote: »
    You should visit the shop on Queen st. and give them a listen. That's where they're made. Amazing amps.
    They are merely LM3785 chip amps wrapped in a very nice chassis.I happen have 2 similar such amps(though not the fancy chassis) that I built using boards purchased from AZ's own Peter Daniels.They can and do sound very good if mated with the right speaker and operated within their power limitations.In fact its amazing that a little $5 chip can sound anywhere near this good.
    However I also own a pair of Brystons a 2B LP and a 3B,and can say that it has been my expierience that the Bryston's have shown themselves to be in a completely different league.
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