Sorry George. More dust

ben62670

I have never had a sealed sub never mind stereo 15" stereo subs. Stereo makes a big difference in my system for sure. I like NIN for bass testing. I put on terrible lie, and during certain bass notes it felt like my upper body was being pushed to the right, and my hips were being pulled to the left. The next track (Down In It) has a rising falling bass riff. It feels like you are being pushed up, and when the notes dropping it literally feels like the undertow of a wave at the beach. I had to use a car XO to Tri amp this setup. The mids don't hit as sharp, but it sure is fun. I can't wait till I can get a real HiFi XO equalization circuit in the mix. I can't even imagine what the bass will hit like then.

NJPOLKER

Hey Ben
I have not followed this thread for awhile. I gotta say you have made some progress and I am sure loving it.
You sure have a lovely daughter too. Daughters rules, my son would be mad if he saw this!!
Keep up the great work

starterl

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Kex

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ben62670

NJPOLKER wrote: »

Hey Ben
I have not followed this thread for awhile. I gotta say you have made some progress and I am sure loving it.
You sure have a lovely daughter too. Daughters rules, my son would be mad if he saw this!!
Keep up the great work

Yeah girls are cool when they are little. They come back after the teen years:)

starterl wrote: »

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george daniel

I must report that I got my ears on Ben and Jerry's custom loudspeakers,while dropping something off for Tom. Listening without subs,the first thing that came to mind was SDA's,, very familar sound,,however, with a little more midrange clarity and just a "tad" more lively than my 1C's. These two guys have done a great job with them,and Jerry's setup is nothing less than impressive. Organic comes to mind,,very good soundstage,,actually LARGE,, with alot of detail.I only wish that I could have stayed longer,, very easy to listen to. Thanks for the hospitality Jerry,,and thanks to Ben for the "surprise" cable,,I think it will work just fine.If any of you local polkies get an opportunity to listen to these speaks,, you owe it to yourself to do so. Thanks again ,,fella's.

jerryj12

Wow.... George, Thanks for the kind words. I think Ben and Lightman are coming over tomorrow and maybe you can stop by again, you are always welcome here.

lightman1

saw 'em, heard 'em, DAMN!! I finally made to Atlanta Friday night. (traffic and car wrecks:mad:) Met up at Jerrys house and was full on impressed with the sound and look of the speakers. I've seen and heard them through various stages of build and the end result is great! Y'all should start a company named Ben and Jerry's Speakers. (Eff the copyright BS!)Jerry and Nikki(?) were great hosts and she is a wonderful dance partner. I'm 6'3"-6'4" and she's about 4'11"-5'. We made a cute couple!
We went back to Ben's and he turned loose the 15's. Gut rumbling low end with accuracy! After some debate and a brief round of fisticuffs about crossover points on the mids, it was decided that a little more tweakin' was due to find that elusive smoothness on the mids and highs.
Over all it was another fine weekend at Bens. Clearly I'm insane for driving 600 miles just to hear somthing new.
Thanks Ben and Jerry!

I'm Baaaack! Fuc*ers!

george daniel

Hey Russ,, did you get Tom's box? Glad to hear that you made it back safely. See you next time.:cool:

ben62670

Well as always good to see most of the crew. ZB was lost in space. It was a surprise kinda get together. I try to include the whole GA crew, but weather, and short scheduling kinda made this a tough one. Can't wait till will corrupt our friend from the great white north. Plans are evolving, but I think we may run a circuit. I am very pleased that we have good fella's that like to share. There isn't one that I can pick out as a favorite. Moving to this area has been a blessing. Thanks Lightman for the repeated trips here. His kind words, and criticism are well appreciated. He dealt with the ghetto crossover well. Things need some tuning, but we are getting there. I hope to have a true crossover in effect before we get together. Jerry's house is a great acoustical environment. George's SDA's and tubes at my place were just a magical moment. Typing about what happened when he was here is next to worthless compared to the experience we shared. It is very exciting. George is stellar. Well back to the tunes.
Ben

lightman1

george daniel wrote: »

Hey Russ,, did you get Tom's box? Glad to hear that you made it back safely. See you next time.:cool:

Got it and dropping it off tomorrow. Sorry i missed you G, still want to talk early to mid 70's recording process. Me and my sons are heading down to Tom's and putting the Anthem into the fray. I'll keep ya posted.

ben62670

Well I have decided to implement some more changes. First The XO jerry and I were using is off. It is a kit from a very highly regarded HiFi company, but something is amiss. The high pass section rolls off so we were bumping the mids to high to keep the treble on par. This made the mids way too bright. Jerry picked up an active 3 way XO on a whim, and it sounds much better. Also I am going to go SDA-SRS with the mids. One of the key elements that causes the great sound of the 2.3TL's is one of the tweeters is handling most of the load. The problem is the dimensional array is 4 ohms, and only 2 drivers. This puts a lot of strain on those two drivers. With the blade blade SDA's the main problem SQ wise is the huge caps in the cancellation circuitry that hinder the performance. Well I am running active subs in my SDA's now so I will not need the big caps to block the bass in the cancellation signal:) I will end up with 4ohm SDA's wired like SDA-SRS's and the dimensional mids will not have to deal with the extra power going to just two small speakers.
See some of you on the weekend of the 8th.
Ben

lightman1

The 8th looks better for me Ben. Dig it?
Tom? You out there?

ben62670

lightman1 wrote: »

The 8th looks better for me Ben. Dig it?
Tom? You out there?

Tom is definitely "out there"
Ben

lightman1

True.

ben62670

Well I am out there too. I am thinking hard about trashing my latest speakers. After having Jerry's here for a while mine just don't cut it. A polkie stopped by today, and we were discussing possible mods. He suggested cutting the cabs to keep the bass module seperate, and I was thinking of stacking an SRT type module to the top. The 5.5's I am running are nothing the "6.5's" Jerry is running. I am thinking 1C tops or 1.2 tops.

george daniel

You are the perfect person to get a pair of 1C's that need rehab and do your thing.

ben62670

Oh stop George. You know how I am. A sick mind is a terrible thing to waste. You going to be around Sunday afternoon? I have something to show you, and I will be in your neighborhood.

george daniel

I should be,,what time +/-?

ben62670

around 3-4pm:)

Face

You should use these for your next set:

4ohm woofer: http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=148&products_id=929

8ohm woofer: http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=148&products_id=930

With this tweeter: http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=148&products_id=1738

ben62670

Face that would be $2700 alone in drivers 1C style. I have looked at that tweeter pretty hard, but the issue with the Morel's we were having is cured. I bet they would be fantastic, but I could put that money to much better use around here.

ben62670

The numbers lie. When we decided on the high end Morel's they didn't use the AccuFlex dome in any of their cheaper models. The Cheaper ones are only $70
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=277-082
, and sound just like the "better" models which are $300 a pair.http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=277-072
The biggest lie is the efficiency. The expensive ones are supposed to be 92.5db, and the cheaper ones are only supposed to be 90db. I had to make no adjustments to the highs when using the cheaper models. We have had issues with magnet shift on the "better ones, and for ha ha's I swapped in the cheaper ones. I hope to get Jerry back to my house soon. I have his speakers here:) BTW Jerry was here and helped me with my car. He is one heck of a guy. Well back to the Vinyl and tubes:)

hearingimpared

ben62670 wrote: »

BTW Jerry was here and helped me with my car. He is one heck of a guy. )

Is it running?

ben62670

I need a battery. It's gonzo, and it is supposed to hit the 20's here in hot lanta. I did have it running 2 weeks ago, but my right hand is nearly useless for wrenching. I want to flush the engine real good and rebuild the starter while I can get to it. Then its just some heat shields, some hoses, and accessories.

The Moody Blues are killer on SDA's!

Face

I'll say it again, Morel sucks.

engtaz

I disagree, It all depends on the type of music you like to listen to.

ben62670

Face wrote: »

I'll say it again, Morel sucks.

The Accuflex dome. I agree the soft domes don't have it. What do you recommend for a tweeter that can handle power an image great off axis?

Face

ScanSpeak Air Circ. http://madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1738

ben62670

I know. I have drolled, but at $400+ a pair I can not pull it off. Have you heard the Acuflex domes, or just the fabric domes?