Considering selling my Carver equipment...

reeltrouble1

I used to order my underwear from a Sears & Roebuck catalogue. Its Groundhog Day, again or at least I hear alot of echoes.

RT1

skipf

I'd suggest keeping the M1.5t and having it remanufactured as noted by others. Then spend your bucks on a good tube pre. The combination of Carver power amps and tubes on the upstream side creates an outstanding sound.

gdb

heiney9 wrote: »

Yeah.............that's old news. Bob deserves to sit at the table with a lot of great audio pioneers that's for sure. Never really cared for his stuff (certainly didn't hate it), but that was a long time ago. I'm more of a Pass-o-phile. But no denying Bob's contributions to audio.

Also there are two sides to that story, some say he succeeded some say he didn't..........let's just leave it at that.

H9

H9, I have no doubt that it's "old news" to an "old timer" such as yourself. My intent was to share the info with the 39post OP newbie that asked about the Carver reputation.;):D

Erik Tracy

gdb wrote: »

H9, I have no doubt that it's "old news" to an "old timer" such as yourself. My intent was to share the info with the 39post OP newbie that asked about the Carver reputation.;):D

The Carver reputation lives on....

Just got back my modified M1.0-t mkII from Rich.... wow.....relatively speaking

gdb

Nice!!! When funds permit....I'm going to have Rich mod a M-500T for me! ( I've got a thing for those meters:D)

TSWisla

Thank you for the advice, the c-4000 and m-1.5t are off to WA next week.

gdb

TWS, if you haven't already, join the two Carver sites. Lots of info and some damned good fights too !!!:eek::D

http://www.carveraudio.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=6

http://thecarversite.com/yetanotherforum/default.aspx?g=register

Erik Tracy

gdb wrote: »

Nice!!! When funds permit....I'm going to have Rich mod a M-500T for me! ( I've got a thing for those meters:D)

Specs for the stock M1.0-t and after Rich's MkII mod:

Stock.......................................Mk II
Power
8 ohms 200 watts <0.15% THD...400 watts <0.15% THD
4 ohms 400 watts <0.15% THD...450 watts <0.15% THD
At Clipping
8 ohms 350 watts.....................450 watts
4 ohms 500 watts.....................520 watts
Dynamic
8 ohms 550 watts.....................670 watts
4 ohms 832 watts.....................940 watts



I have this back in my rig now with my 8 ohm RTiA3s...and it is just insane!

Cleaner...crisper....more dynamics...I'm giddy in delight right now

lakesailor

gdb wrote: »

If you'd like to know why some don't like Carver stuff...I suspect it's because years ago he took a challenge from Stereophile magazine & a couple of "Hi-End" amp manufacturers to duplicate their sonic traits with his mass produced mid-fi amps. He succeeded so well that he actually had to "worsen" the sound on one to get an exact match! Well....this didn't sit too well with the challengers at all. Like Bose, Monster etc. etc. there's always going to be someone/thing that people will band together against because "everyone else is doing it"! I personally admire Bob Carver's inventiveness and the products it has produced and think they're a lot of bang for the buck. The consistently high prices they command on ebay and Agon indicate that somebody is willing to pay a lot for them, I never buy gear based on other peoples opinions of it, they're not paying for it. OR listening to it:p Mr. Bob is a GENIUS and a Hell of a nice guy too!! Link to challenge below...read all about it;)

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:qKIj-pJv0iAJ:www.carveraudio.com/CarverChallenge.pdf+the+bob+carver+challenge&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us&client=firefox-a

I always admired Carver’s ingenuity and his talent. The audio community is certainly much better off for his contributions.

My dislike for Carver gear was simply form owning it and the fact that most of it was crap due to poor build quality.

When it comes to build quality Nelson Pass is the man. I have often thought if you could somehow put Bob Carver and Nelson Pass in the same lab long enough they could come up with some pretty impressive gear that would last a life time.

The upside is that there are some people re-building the old Carver stuff again.. My only regret about selling all of my Carver gear was that I did not do it sooner.

heiney9

I agree 100% on the Pass statement........but if you look at their individual evolution as designers they seem to be at odds.......on paper. Nelson is the guru of simple ---> better or less is more philosophy. Bob has always been about quirky ways of coming up with a new circuit................and IMHO, making things way more complicated than they need to be, and sometimes letting the sonic output suffer a bit to have a new fangled circuit (for lack of a better term). Bob has certainly always thought outside the box, but I would conclude as a whole, Nelson's designs have more purity when it comes to the final sonic output.

They both have their following and certainly have made several key contributions to audio.

H9

nooshinjohn

.... how did the repairs turn out...