Speaker wire help for newbie!!!

gspence
gspence Posts: 6
Hi, I just put together a new surround sound system with some christmas money. I am not an audiophile but I do appreciate good sound on a budget. I have a 46 in Sony LCD, PS3, XBOX 360 and DTV hooked up to an Onkyo TX-SR 605 receiver. I got the Polk 6750 5.1 surround system and right now am using my old speaker wire that came with my old HTIB system. I waited to buy new speaker wire until my Monitor 50's came in this week.

So I have a 7.1 system with the 6750 speakers and I will be using the two Monitor 50's as my fronts.

I just have never bought speaker wire before and don't really know what to do so I trust all the people on here can show me the way. I need some solid but affordable speaker wire that will work for the entire system.

Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated!
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  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited February 2009
    Good to identify your budget and then go from there.
    Signal Cable is a good place to start if it falls within your budget.
    My entire HT is wired with Signal Cable. Good luck.

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  • gspence
    gspence Posts: 6
    edited February 2009
    Lasareath wrote: »

    Did that really just say $4,000 or whatever???

    Wow, I spent less than $1000 on my total package of speakers and receiver. I just need some solid speaker wires, nothing amazing, like I said I am not an audiophile. I don't really know what my budget is, but I don't think I want to spend more than $100 on wire. I dont have the 50's plugged in yet, just got them the other day, but the 6750's sound great to me with the HTIB speakerwire so as you can see I am not asking for something that cost me $4,000, no offense.

    Thanks for the help but I need something affordable. I am a HS coach and teacher, don't have $500, let alone $4,000 to spend on speaker wire, haha.
  • gold01ca
    gold01ca Posts: 50
    edited February 2009
    ya, I couldnt believe that price!
    inexpensive????
  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,119
    edited February 2009
    How may feet do you think you may need?
    Nice system and much love and respect to all teachers! Thanks for your service to our kids!
  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,119
    edited February 2009
    Audioquest type 4 seems to be great and can be had for $4 per foot. If you need a lot of feet, that may not be the best option.
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2009
    janmike wrote: »
    good to identify your budget and then go from there.
    Signal cable is a good place to start if it falls within your budget.
    My entire ht is wired with signal cable. Good luck.

    signal cable
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,329
    edited February 2009
    go with Blue Jeans wire or Mono 12awg.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,329
    edited February 2009
    lasareath wrote: »


    hahahaha wow!!!!!!!
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  • gspence
    gspence Posts: 6
    edited February 2009
    I live in an apartment right now, so my living room is not that big. Not sure of the dimensions but it's a typical size apt living room. Sorry that is not more help, appreciate the responses.
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited February 2009
    Did anyone pay attention to my mans system???

    Dude get some good quality 16 or 14 guage wire. I suggest checking out this website and select Audioquest 16 or 14 gauge wire.
    http://www.crutchfield.com/g_22112/In-wall-Speaker-Wire.html?search=speaker+wire&tp=2906

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  • gspence
    gspence Posts: 6
    edited February 2009
    mantis wrote: »
    Did anyone pay attention to my mans system???

    Dude get some good quality 16 or 14 guage wire. I suggest checking out this website and select Audioquest 16 or 14 gauge wire.
    http://www.crutchfield.com/g_22112/In-wall-Speaker-Wire.html?search=speaker+wire&tp=2906

    Dan

    The audioquest looks reasonable, should I go for the 125ft? Will that be enough or more than enough?
  • gspence
    gspence Posts: 6
    edited February 2009
    Thanks Lasareth, funny joke! haha


    500 ft sounds like quite a bit for what I need though don't you think? I really want to spend $100 or less for what I need.

    Also I don't know if I need banana plugs or anything like that.
  • gold01ca
    gold01ca Posts: 50
    edited February 2009
    spence,
    check out monoprice.com, good quality wire and good pricing.
  • John K.
    John K. Posts: 822
    edited February 2009
    Coach, welcome to Club Polk. The first point is that you may not necessarily need new wire. The old ones don't wear out unless they get a break in them. If the wire you have now is long enough for your new setup you should try it first before considering buying new ones. There's an awful lot of rather bizarre advice that floats around audio discussion forums, even about simple pieces of wire. These are just pieces of metal that form a path for the power and signals to ride down their outside to the speakers. If you'd like to study what's widely recognized as the best no-BS info on speaker wiring that's available online, written by a well-respected veteran audio professional, follow this link .

    If you decide that you do need new or at least more wire, a local supplier such as Home Depot, Lowes or any supplier of electrical wire may be your simplest and least expensive option(although online dealer MonoPrice does have very reasonable prices). Typically there'd be 16ga wire available for around 20-30 cents a foot, and there's no good reason to pay more. It can be labeled lighting wire, lampcord, power cord, etc., it's all the same stuff. Unless you're planning to install wire behind the walls you don't need the more expensive wire that has an outer jacket to reduce dangerous fumes formed during a possible fire. Enjoy your new speakers.
  • gold01ca
    gold01ca Posts: 50
    edited February 2009
    John K. wrote: »
    Coach, welcome to Club Polk. The first point is that you may not necessarily need new wire. The old ones don't wear out unless they get a break in them. If the wire you have now is long enough for your new setup you should try it first before considering buying new ones. There's an awful lot of rather bizarre advice that floats around audio discussion forums, even about simple pieces of wire. These are just pieces of metal that form a path for the power and signals to ride down their outside to the speakers. If you'd like to study what's widely recognized as the best no-BS info on speaker wiring that's available online, written by a well-respected veteran audio professional, follow this link .

    If you decide that you do need new or at least more wire, a local supplier such as Home Depot, Lowes or any supplier of electrical wire may be your simplest and least expensive option(although online dealer MonoPrice does have very reasonable prices). Typically there'd be 16ga wire available for around 20-30 cents a foot, and there's no good reason to pay more. It can be labeled lighting wire, lampcord, power cord, etc., it's all the same stuff. Unless you're planning to install wire behind the walls you don't need the more expensive wire that has an outer jacket to reduce dangerous fumes formed during a possible fire. Enjoy your new speakers.

    excellent advice john!
    thanks
  • themuskr
    themuskr Posts: 149
    edited February 2009
    Blue jeans cable makes some great cheap speakerwire
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  • metal83
    metal83 Posts: 1,219
    edited February 2009
    John K. wrote: »
    Coach, welcome to Club Polk. The first point is that you may not necessarily need new wire. The old ones don't wear out unless they get a break in them. If the wire you have now is long enough for your new setup you should try it first before considering buying new ones. There's an awful lot of rather bizarre advice that floats around audio discussion forums, even about simple pieces of wire. These are just pieces of metal that form a path for the power and signals to ride down their outside to the speakers. If you'd like to study what's widely recognized as the best no-BS info on speaker wiring that's available online, written by a well-respected veteran audio professional, follow this link .

    If you decide that you do need new or at least more wire, a local supplier such as Home Depot, Lowes or any supplier of electrical wire may be your simplest and least expensive option(although online dealer MonoPrice does have very reasonable prices). Typically there'd be 16ga wire available for around 20-30 cents a foot, and there's no good reason to pay more. It can be labeled lighting wire, lampcord, power cord, etc., it's all the same stuff. Unless you're planning to install wire behind the walls you don't need the more expensive wire that has an outer jacket to reduce dangerous fumes formed during a possible fire. Enjoy your new speakers.

    I've read a lot of this type of stuff on the internet lately, and it seems your always going to find the people that say wires don't matter, and the people that say wires do. There's always going to be advocates for one side or the other. It doesn't seem like this topic is dying anytime soon, and there are plenty of articles to read no matter which side of the debate your on.

    The only solution for someone seriously curious, is to try out different speaker cables and figure out which side of the debate they want to join. :D
  • metal83
    metal83 Posts: 1,219
    edited February 2009
    Keiko wrote: »
    This guy learns quickly! :D

    I'm not going to debate either way though. I've already learned that cables can and do make a difference. Couple years ago, I wouldn't have given this much thought. My ears, my money, my choice, my cables. ;)

    Thanks CP for showing me the light. :)

    Agreed! :D
  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited February 2009
    gspence wrote: »
    Hi, I just put together a new surround sound system with some christmas money. I am not an audiophile but I do appreciate good sound on a budget.
    Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated!

    www.parts-express.com

    you will find some wire here to use for your HT, 12, 14 or 16 guage depending on what you want to spend, I use it and its fine for HT.

    RT1
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,203
    edited February 2009
    gold01ca wrote: »
    excellent advice john!
    thanks

    Actually it's horrible advice.

    Those that don't know; don't know that they don't know
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited February 2009
    gold01ca wrote: »
    excellent advice john!
    thanks

    Another vote for real bad advice. Too many people think that wire is just a path from A to B. They are under the impression all that matters is LRC(inductance, resistance, and capacitance). They ignore things like construction, insulation, and the make up of the actual wire.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited February 2009
    gspence wrote: »

    Wow, I spent less than $1000 on my total package of speakers and receiver. I just need some solid speaker wires, nothing amazing, like I said I am not an audiophile.

    More than likely, at that level of quality you will not hear much, if any, differance between expensive and inexpensive wire. Go to the hardware store and buy 12 guage copper stranded.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited February 2009
    John K. wrote: »
    There's an awful lot of rather bizarre advice that floats around audio discussion forums, even about simple pieces of wire.

    And then there are the TOOLS who post links to try an impress new guys, so typical of anti hi-fi audio insurgents.

    RT1
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,460
    edited February 2009
    go to Menards... you can get monstercable 600 70 feet for 15 bucks per roll... two or three should get the job done... If you have no menards close to you I can send some to you...
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited February 2009
    I second the 12AWG Monoprice stuff. It's high quality and cheap.
  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited February 2009
    Well my system falls into the category of starter systems but i noticed a huge difference with 14awg from Monoprice. It works for me. Listen to the guys who have been doing this for awhile they wont steer you wrong.

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