Tubes Still Rule.............

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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited February 2009
    now we're talking................Tubes Rule

    http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstube&1239094187&/VTL-MB-1250-Wotan-giant-tube-m

    say ooh la la, ooh la la

    and I can heat the whole house if I cut a hole in the shed roof.

    RT1
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited February 2009
    Ted.................you have to have those!!!!!
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2009
    reeltrouble1 wrote:
    Tubes Still Rule........................

    tubes.jpg

    Wow! Didn't realize you were such a fan. They had a few nice cuts like "She's a Beauty", "Talk To Ya Later" and "White Punks on Dope"....

    but to say They Rule...I dunno?
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited February 2009
    Nice Cover ShackDaddy.........wouldn't mind that lass scratching me in a few places.

    So I guess nobody??? has ever used an outboard autoformer???, well I am not so sure about being Captain Kirk on this one.

    RT1
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2009
    http://www.zeroimpedance.com/box.html

    You're already 1/3 of the way to a amp with built in autoformers.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited February 2009
    Well after some conversation with Victor Khomenko in whom I implicitly trust (well for audio) the outboard autoformer could be used however it would change the sound in unpredictable ways, therefore, I will not be Captain Kirk on this one. Kinda figured that one, gimmicks rarely work.

    I believe I may just do nothing amp wise for a bit, use the BAT's which do sound oh so sweet at moderate levels and enjoy the music. The best course of action for me is to keep my beloved tubes for a future Rig with some Wilson Sophia's I just have to own and then purchase another beast SS from BAT for the Sound Labs.

    After sometime has passed and the Sound Lab ESL new panels and electronic's are broken in I will put some thoughts up.

    RT1
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited February 2009
    Igo wrote: »
    You are so full of **** and yourself that your eyeballs float. I didn't know anyone could type and do the other thing at the same time. What an ****.

    Who are you talking to/about? I know it can't be Ted, because you have obviuosly not heard his rig.Or,,did I misunderstand something?
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,572
    edited February 2009
    Igo wrote: »
    You are so full of **** and yourself that your eyeballs float. I didn't know anyone could type and do the other thing at the same time. What an ****.

    Someone's ship just sunk. :rolleyes:
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • Igo
    Igo Posts: 411
    edited February 2009
    His rig and his ego probably cost the same money....to the penny.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2009
    Igo wrote:
    His rig and his ego probably cost the same money....to the penny.

    You are out of line....
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited February 2009
    Totally out of line!

    At least his user name is appropriate for the situation ....... I Go

    I need to go outside and see if there is a full moon.
    DKG999
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,572
    edited February 2009
    Igo wrote: »
    His rig and his ego probably cost the same money....to the penny.

    Out of line and no longer welcome here.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited February 2009
    f1nut wrote: »
    out of line and no longer welcome here.

    +1000
    DKG999
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    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2009
    I have no idea what caused this personal attack. As I said it is totally out of line and unwarranted.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited February 2009
    I'm just guessing here, but maybe when he sobers up he'll regret this :confused:
    DKG999
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    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited February 2009
    Perhaps, Drunken and Typin' ;)

    Otherwise, why would you say such things? I am sorry but I failed to see any correlation to what you said in this thread. :o:confused:
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited February 2009
    Igo, <you do that
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited February 2009
    I am trying to make some sense out of Igo's post, But I can't. Less than three months here, obviously knows nothing about the forum or its members, and brings this uncalled attack on Ted, who has done nothing but help build what we have here.

    Sad. I really hope Ted is in a good mood today.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2009
    Someone obviously forgot their meds.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited February 2009
    Ted, I have read [but unfortunately not experienced] about the autoformer over at the ML forum. Many members there have high praise and many speak of it not changing the signal. Sorry I haven't gotten back with you sooner. It was just an idea that came to mind after reading your ramblings. I figured that it was worth a shot since this is what they have already located within many high $$$ amps that can do a hard to drive speaker justice.

    Forgive me if it wasn't the best of ideas. I just thought that I would throw it out there at'cha.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited February 2009
    WOW.........somebody needs to get laid, big time!!

    Igo if you have nothing constructive to say.......or coherent for that matter, STFU!
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited February 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    WOW.........somebody needs to get laid, big time!!

    Igo if you have nothing constructive to say.......or coherent for that matter, STFU!


    Now...that is some damn good advice kid....Take it!
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,500
    edited February 2009
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    the outboard autoformer could be used however...


    Roger Sanders told me the same thing when I was going to try some on my Eros/tube amp combo. OTOH, a fellow that bought a pair of my Eros MK II's used them and said they worked swell. I went the SS amp route and never looked back.
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  • fredv
    fredv Posts: 923
    edited February 2009
    Igo wrote: »
    I didn't know anyone could type and do the other thing at the same time.
    Now I know .....
    Sad. I really hope Ted is in a good mood today.
    Ted has a much better manner.

    -fredv-
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited February 2009
    Big power, reasonable cost, cool running. Not the description
    of a tube amp. You go glass, you are gonna half to make
    some hard choices. Or budget big and get additional air conditioning
    capacity. Or surrender to the sand.
    I'm testing my options right now. 2nd choice in speakers with tubes,
    or 1st choice in speakers with SS. Or I could tell son #2 to quit college
    and join the Marines. That would cover those big AR tube monos!
    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited February 2009
    Igo wrote: »
    What an ****.

    Why Thank You. I owe it all to Buns of Steel, advanced second version.;)

    Five more points for RT1 towards the Rooster Award.

    Now then.

    Back down inside the Rabbit Hole. The air conditioner is awesome in the Shed, it was the only place HI could stop his own personal water works during the Georgia Fest. So my bottles might be hot but the air is cool and the music flows. As Rich noted the SS can handle ELS loads and hold a key, there is tube power (Tubes Rule) that would work from others besides BAT but if I keep the pre and amp in the family the risk of an impedance abboration of sound is limited, their gear just has great synergy, too bad the MF 550 supercharger does not have the juice as they would of been a great solution. For now I will just keep the VK-120's and use them within their limits, still very sweet.

    So I suppose its door #2, I have my eyes on something, nothing quite like sweet anticipation.

    RT1
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited February 2009
    But Ted, what's behind door #3 might be a better prize :D
    DKG999
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    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited February 2009
    And do you have a hot blond to wave her hand towards
    each of the available doors? That always helps with selection.
    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited February 2009
    There are certain things and activities in the WoodShed about which it would be prudent to remain totally silent. Even I do not venture through certain twists down its rabbit hole corridors lest I totally lose my mind trapped in a room with Tour listening to D-lite on a tape loop.

    RT1
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited February 2009
    I remember Bruce playing D-lite on my 1.2's when he was here picking up some amps. I bought one of their CD's after that. :o

    Haven't seen him around lately.
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