Lsi25 and reciever or amps

eclimax13

^^^^thats a great deal but what about the rears?..what about the upa-7...seems like an awesome deal and i can get all the channels

Sherardp

go for the MPS-2 and be done with it

cokewithvanilla

At $1700 the mps is a bit pricey...

he can get three xpa-3's for that price.... he can always buy another amp later for the rears... it seems like hes a bet skeptical about an amp right now.... for $499 the xpa-3 is a no brainer.

I think you'll find that you want to buy as much clean power as you can afford. You might be able to get away with running them on a receiver, but you will never realize the speakers' full potential unless you hook them up to a good amp.

are you running 7 lsi speakers? If so, that would be entirely up to you. I think you can always upgrade later... in my personal opinion, you are going to want more than 125wpc on your fronts. I'm running 200wpc (375 at 4 ohms) and I would like more. Will the upa be better than your receiver? yes. Will it be better than the xpa, no. It all depends on what you want to spend. Do you do music more than movies? I found myself owning a 7 channel 200 wpc amp that I paid quite a bit for, and I have only used more than 2 of its channels for about a week. I now use channels 1 and 7 to power my LSi25's.

I think that your receiver will work right now for the rear channels, as they do little work for the most part... if anything, buy the xpa-3 so that you can prove to yourself that you need separate amplification


or you can buy 2 xpa-1's and I'll trade you my B&K 7270 Series II 200wpc (375 at 4ohm) over 7 channels

comfortablycurt

Personally I'd look into a used Adcom 545 or 555. Both are around 200 wpc, and can be had used for about 200-300 dollars. That's just a two channel amp, but would be great for your mains. You could always add another 3 or 5 channel amp sometime down the road too, to power your center and surrounds.

mmadden28

The center is muy importante in HT.

eclimax13

i do only movies through my system and im looking for a "get me by" amp for now...a guy on craigslist is selling a rotel 1075...seriously considering it

this is why i have a love/hate relationship with forums...i always end up spending more money they more i come on

Hobbyguy

Now you need some solid gold interconnects with uranium shielding

cokewithvanilla

Hobbyguy wrote: »

Now you need some solid gold interconnects with uranium shielding

well, that goes without saying...

eclimax13

eclimax13 wrote: »

i do only movies through my system and im looking for a "get me by" amp for now...a guy on craigslist is selling a rotel 1075...seriously considering it

this is why i have a love/hate relationship with forums...i always end up spending more money they more i come on

Hobbyguy wrote: »

Now you need some solid gold interconnects with uranium shielding

ha...nice

comfortablycurt

eclimax13 wrote: »

i do only movies through my system and im looking for a "get me by" amp for now...a guy on craigslist is selling a rotel 1075...seriously considering it

this is why i have a love/hate relationship with forums...i always end up spending more money they more i come on

That would be a very good choice. I've never heard that amp personally...but have always heard good things about it.

eclimax13

another i found but reviews are favorable ADCOM GFA-7000

cokewithvanilla

What is your budget?

and how many channels do you need, 5, 7?

I take it from the amps you are looking at, you need 5 channels. Its too bad emo is out of stock on their xpa-5, $800 for 200wpc is a good value.

Its really up to you at this point... there are a hell of a lot of amps that will drive those speakers, the adcom or the rotel will definitely be better than your receiver. Look at audiogon, I'm sure you will find a lot of good amplifiers there.

BlueFox

Hobbyguy wrote: »

Now you need some solid gold interconnects with uranium shielding

Spend a bit more, and get the super-conducting upgrade.

eclimax13

cokewithvanilla wrote: »

What is your budget?

and how many channels do you need, 5, 7?

I take it from the amps you are looking at, you need 5 channels. Its too bad emo is out of stock on their xpa-5, $800 for 200wpc is a good value.

Its really up to you at this point... there are a hell of a lot of amps that will drive those speakers, the adcom or the rotel will definitely be better than your receiver. Look at audiogon, I'm sure you will find a lot of good amplifiers there.

well prob under $700 used...and the other problem im running into is fitment...a lot of these are too deep...mainly the emotiva 19" :eek:

Hobbyguy

Just pulled the trigger on purchasing a Rotel RMB-1095. $1000. Hope that was a good deal.

eclimax13

where?

cokewithvanilla

too deep for what?

my current amp is 18 inches deep, 17 wide, and 7 inches tall

you can almost say that the bigger, the better.... but I'm sure someone will disagree O_O

eclimax13

too deep for this stand

cokewithvanilla

ah...
just to let you know, the placement on those lsi's is less than desirable... also, you can cut the back out of that cabinet... you certainly don't want to contain an amplifier... mine gets hot enough to fry eggs....and its completely in the open.

eclimax13

cokewithvanilla wrote: »

ah...
just to let you know, the placement on those lsi's is less than desirable... also, you can cut the back out of that cabinet... you certainly don't want to contain an amplifier... mine gets hot enough to fry eggs....and its completely in the open.

yes, well as you can see my apartment doesnt give me many options for placement...plus do you crank your amp?..id be listening at moderate volumes..and i dont want to cut out the back...the whole reason for replacing my setup with this stand is to have a cleaner look and not see all the wires

eclimax13

xcapri79 wrote: »

Even with your Denon AVR (a better than average unit by the way), your LSi25's wll sound better than most other 8 ohm speakers. Your priorites regarding saving for a house vs more audio equipment is more sound, no pun intended.

Remember this is an audio forum filled with a few, perhaps many well-meaning fanatics. To them if you don't drive your LSi's with an external amp with at least 200 wpc, well that is like breaking all the ten commandments of what you should do. You might end up in audio hell perhaps.

Some don't have to worry about saving for a down payment, a mortgage, or being on a budget. Since you live in an apartment and can't really crank up your system, I think that saving your money for the down payment is wise. Wait until you get into your house to buy an amp. There is less to move that way.

So don't feel you need to go out right away and get an external amp, even though a great deal on the XPA-3 runs out in the next week or so. Good luck.

ha...this is the same with every forum involving products i belong to...weather its tube amps for guitars or bigger turbos for my car, its never enough...its hard not to get sucked in, even when what everyone thinks you should have doesnt always work with every situation..at this point i know i dont need an external amp but from what everyone says, im curious to see what it would do...even at apartment levels

Whadyasay

xcapri79 wrote: »

Even with you Denon AVR, your LSi25's wll sound better than most other 8 ohm speakers. Your priorites regarding saving for a house vs more audio equipment is more sound, no pun intended.

Remember this is an audio forum filled with a few, perhaps many well-meaning fanatics. To them if you don't drive your LSi's with an external amp with at least 200 wpc, well that is like breaking all the ten commandments of what you should do. You might end up in audio hell perhaps.

Some don't have to worry about saving for a down payment, a mortgage, or being on a budget. Since you live in an apartment and can't really crank up your system, I think that saving your money for the down payment is wise. Wait until you get into your house to buy an amp. There is less to move that way.

Some would even know not to spend precious dollars on a big gas-guzzler if they couldn't afford the gas to begin with, too...great deal or no great deal. But hey...to each their own. If you like the way it looks staying in the garage, despite taking up all the space...kudos, and good luck with the new house.

eclimax13

Whadyasay wrote: »

Some would even know not to spend precious dollars on a big gas-guzzler if they couldn't afford the gas to begin with, too...great deal or no great deal. But hey...to each their own. If you like the way it looks staying in the garage, despite taking up all the space...kudos, and good luck with the new house.

:rolleyes: its funny you make a comment about my finances without knowing how much i actually do make...but i know

Whadyasay

eclimax13 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

You know that was a joke.

eclimax13 wrote: »

ha...this is the same with every forum involving products i belong to...weather its tube amps for guitars or bigger turbos for my car, its never enough...its hard not to get sucked in, even when what everyone thinks you should have doesnt always work with every situation..at this point i know i dont need an external amp but from what everyone says, im curious to see what it would do...even at apartment levels

Dude...don't even get me started with guitar amps and NOS tubes or exotic boutique pickups....I actually build my own hand-wired tube amps from kits now. The savings are indeed substantial, but it's more about feeding the obsession.

If you don't feel like you're missing much now...don't worry about it, and you can feel confident that when you are able to step up to more power, you'll have a speaker system willing and able to take it all in. :up:

Whadyasay

eclimax13 wrote: »

:rolleyes: its funny you make a comment about my finances without knowing how much i actually do make...but i know

I'm not the one who brought up budget priorities to begin with...but yeah...you know.

Look at it this way, too....whatever you'd spend on a good used or new amp now will likely be more later on anyway with inflation. So by then, you'd be all set and you know you won't suddenly not want to watch movies at home.

eclimax13

Whadyasay wrote: »

I'm not the one who brought up budget priorities to begin with...but yeah...you know.

Look at it this way, too....whatever you'd spend on a good used or new amp now will likely be more later on anyway with inflation. So by then, you'd be all set and you know you won't suddenly not want to watch movies at home.

hey...its not easy buying a house on your own...plus remember...i was 22 when i bought my equipment...i was buying for the future..which is now

Whadyasay

eclimax13 wrote: »

hey...its not easy buying a house on your own...plus remember...i was 22 when i bought my equipment...i was buying for the future..which is now

When did the whole new-house idea spring to mind?

I know what you mean. But again, if you're really not listening much more than bedroom levels, then the only sensible improvement would be a different speaker system...which you don't want to do....so don't worry about it for now.

cokewithvanilla

I occasionally crank my system, but remember I'm only using two of the 7 available channels. I'm not really pushing my amp. Certain amps just tend to get hot, they never recommend that you enclose them that tightly.

At this point, its about opportunity cost for you... and that is entirely up to you. Will you get better sound out of an external amp, yes. is it necessary, no. At least not at the levels you are talking.

I think you're at the point that you have most the information you need, now you need to make the decision on your own.

I live in an apartment too right now, and I just had my first noise complaint. I can listen to my speakers at a fair level without getting complaints, and at that level, I feel, I have much better sound than with a receiver.

Like i said before, if you wanna give it a try, get the emo xpa-3 at $500 and if you don't think the improvement was worth it, sell it at audiogon... or something. You will likely find a buyer for close to what you paid.

eclimax13

^^^ya, im at that point...im in talks with a couple of sellers for their rotel 1075 but only going to pull the trigger if i can grab them for under $600, which is looking hopefull...and with the stand i can put the amp off to the side of the right side of the tv behind it

now someone mentioned my speakers weren't ideally placed but tell me why, i have them in triangle form to my listening position and placed ahead of my tv

eclimax13

Whadyasay wrote: »

When did the whole new-house idea spring to mind?

I know what you mean. But again, if you're really not listening much more than bedroom levels, then the only sensible improvement would be a different speaker system...which you don't want to do....so don't worry about it for now.

about 3 months ago...when i realized after a year of apartment living, my home theater and guitars where being abused.....by not being abused...and the girl and i are SICK of white walls