I am a 2 channel convert

nooshinjohn

It has been a little more than 24hrs since my sda1c's have been set up in my living room. i have used them with my 7.1 set up for watching movies and tv shows, but where they really shine is when using pure direct mode in two channel operation. no special surround modes of coloration added to the music, no subwoofers... just the speakers and the cd player delivering the notes. When I close my eyes and listen to the details once hidden by all the artificial crap that I used to employ when listening to music I find enchantment in the subtle inflections of a singers voice or the in the movement of an artist from left to center stage and then to the right. A drum set, once rendered to nothing more than backround clutter is three dimentional, and with eyes closed I can almost reach out and touch them....

I will continue to employ my sda's in surround applications and they will do just fine, however I will look forward to every opportunity to listen to music of all genre with my new ears and my eyes closed... long live the SDA!!!;)

leroyjr1

Wait till you hear them on a pre amp. What kind of power do you have pushing the 1c"s?

nooshinjohn

why does everybody seem to hate yamaha... I have never been so pleased with a receiver as much as theirs... what about using separate yamaha amps?

comfortablycurt

nooshinjohn wrote: »

why does everybody seem to hate yamaha... I have never been so pleased with a receiver as much as theirs... what about using separate yamaha amps?

There are plenty of people around here that love their Yammies. They make some good stuff. I think Yamaha just kinda has a stigma with some people. It doesn't seem right to some people to buy audio equipment from a company that also makes motorcycles and snowmobiles. I used to kind of have the same stigma...but then I actually heard a Yamaha receiver. I was quite impressed with it. I've never heard any of their amps or anything though.

I'm a recent 2 channel convert myself. I always used to listen to music in surround sound, but I think that was because my old receiver was so bad that I had to have more speakers going at once just to cover up how bad it sounded...lol The way I see it now is that you have two ears, so your music should be coming from 2 speakers. I'm still using my subwoofer with it, but my speakers aren't exactly as nice as those SDA1C's either...lol

I'm thinking my first SDA's are probably going to be 1C's. Those are the only SDA's I've ever heard, and I was so blown away by them...that I need some. Unfortunately that's probably still a few years away. I'll get there eventually though.

Enjoy your 1C's...I'd probably be glued to the couch with me remote in hand for the next 2 months if I had just gotten some 1C's...:p

leroyjr1

There's nothing wrong with Yamaha. I have a Yamaha receiver holding my bed up.

Seperates sound so much better. A nice pre amp & amp combo matched with your 1c's and you'll be in
2 channel heaven.

Enjoy

bsoko2

I too am a 2-channel convert! Listening to music on my SDA SRS 2.3's has changed the way I enjoy music. My wife even remarked that listening to the SDA's has given her more enjoyment for music and before this, she couldn't care less what speakers I had.

Bill

inspiredsports

comfortablycurt wrote: »

I think Yamaha just kinda has a stigma with some people.

I'm not sure it is a stigma. They make a quality product. I just think many have owned them "on the way up" and come to the realization that they don't quite pack the punch needed to push many SDA's to their full potential.

As far as 2 channel. I'm experimenting now with using just my SDA SRS 2's with DVD / Blu Ray. The "phantom" center channel the SDA's produce is remarkable, and the bass from the 15" passive radiators leaves the option to never add a sub. I'm going to experiment with some rear surrounds, but have a feeling I will have mixed emotions about the end result.

comfortablycurt

Keiko wrote: »

Just about every piece of gear in my rig is Yamaha.

RX-797 2 channel receiver
RX-396 2 channel receiver (used to power the rears for the HT)
EQ630 10 band equalizer
DVD S1800 universal
KX-421 cassette
YSP-800 sound projector
NS10M monitor speakers
and a very modest YST SW216 subwoofer...I love my system

The other stuff is my RTi6's and 4's and (soon to be upgraded) Audio-Technica TT.

I'm honestly thinkin' about getting this next.

http://www.starmotorcycles.com/star/products/modelhome/528/home.aspx

You could even get yourself a nice Yamaha Piano, and guitar and bass...guitar and bass amps. Do they make appliances? Like refrigerators and microwaves?...lol...You could convert your entire home to Yamaha equipment...drive just Yamaha vehicles, eat food cooked in a Yamaha, all while sitting on the bench in front of your Yamaha piano whilst playing your Yamaha guitar with your Yamah guitar amp. Now that's brand loyalty.

george daniel

Nothing wrong with the receiver,, just saying,if you really want to see what SDA's are capabale of, try them with a 2ch pre and big A$$ high current ss amp,or tube amp,,it took my brother 18 years to do it, and I can assure you that he is never going back, he went from a very respectable 7.1 with a sub, to strictly 2 ch with a tubed pre, a couple of big mono's and an AI-1 dreadnought, specifically a Dodd ELP, 2 Odyssey Mono Extremes SE's and the dreadnought,, BAM,, no turing back now. Enjoy your system. Fun,, ain't it.:)

ben62670

I have sold off my 5.1. I don't really regret it. I will go cheap on 5.1 to get it back for movies, but 2 channel music is where it's at. Welcome to the Dark Side.

NotaSuv

nooshinjohn wrote: »

why does everybody seem to hate yamaha... I have never been so pleased with a receiver as much as theirs... what about using separate yamaha amps?

if it sounds good to you.............BINGO

do not try to get the sound others want you to have

trust your ears........

you are the one listening to your speakers.. not a poster 500 miles away

Yamaha makes some fine equip and if it puts a smile on your face thats whats important......

snow

leroyjr1 wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with Yamaha. I have a Yamaha receiver holding my bed up.
Enjoy

Lmaooo

Most of the newer Yammys sound a lil bright with SDA's but as leroy and others have said quality seperates is where it's at and you can find some nice yamaha seperates if that is what your into.



REGARDS SNOW

Russ_L

No arguments with anyone above, but in my humble opinion, for music, multichannel SACD is where it’s at by a mile. Two channel sounds flat, constricted, lifeless, and totally unlistenable after switching from multichannel SACD on my high-end rig. Although two channel will sound great the next day if that is all I would be listening too.

I’ve actually sold off my two-channel system (Hyperion speakers, preamp and monoblocks amps) so I could put together a dedicated surround system. I’m thinking of combining old and new technology in the surround system. Model 10s at all five positions, and possibly a (new) Dynakit Mk III http://www.dynakitparts.com/store/product.aspx?id=3 powering each speaker.

Currently working on obtaining the 10s. I hope to have four of the five by the weekend. Will post pictures (and lots of questions) next week.

Russ

An original Model 10 owner 1981 –1990.:)

BigMac

comfortablycurt wrote: »

You could even get yourself a nice Yamaha Piano, and guitar and bass...guitar and bass amps. Do they make appliances? Like refrigerators and microwaves?...lol...You could convert your entire home to Yamaha equipment...drive just Yamaha vehicles, eat food cooked in a Yamaha, all while sitting on the bench in front of your Yamaha piano whilst playing your Yamaha guitar with your Yamah guitar amp. Now that's brand loyalty.

Don't know what it was about this statement but I am still laughing. Must have had one to many cups of coffee. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!:D

snow

Russ_L wrote: »

No arguments with anyone above, but in my humble opinion, for music, multichannel SACD is where it’s at by a mile. Two channel sounds flat, constricted, lifeless, and totally unlistenable after switching from multichannel SACD on my high-end rig. Although two channel will sound great the next day if that is all I would be listening too.

I’ve actually sold off my two-channel system (Hyperion speakers, preamp and monoblocks amps) so I could put together a dedicated surround system. I’m thinking of combining old and new technology in the surround system. Model 10s at all five positions, and possibly a (new) Dynakit Mk III http://www.dynakitparts.com/store/product.aspx?id=3 powering each speaker.

Currently working on obtaining the 10s. I hope to have four of the five by the weekend. Will post pictures (and lots of questions) next week.

Russ

An original Model 10 owner 1981 –1990.:)

Wow Just curious what does your high-end multi channel rig consist of now?



REGARDS SNOW

reeltrouble1

I dont just dislike Yamaha, I feel equal disdain for all receivers, they are simply a compromise to convenience.

RT1

Face

Russ_L wrote: »

Two channel sounds flat, constricted, lifeless, and totally unlistenable after switching from multichannel SACD on my high-end rig.

I find two channel anything but your description and find multichannel a cacophony of sound, but YMMV.

Btw, welcome local.

BottomFeeder

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

I dont just dislike Yamaha, I feel equal disdain for all receivers, they are simply a compromise to convenience.

RT1

Owwwie! Preach it, dog!

I'm a card carrying member of the "when-I-upgraded-from-a-receiver-to-separates-I-was-shocked-by-how-much-better-my-system-sounded" club. Don't feel like you HAVE to upgrade - now or ever - just know that there's more out there if you get the upgraditis disease that so many of us have contracted.

Fongolio

It's why my front A7's are on a switch. In position 1 they are the fronts for the HT rig. In position 2 they are the only speakers in the two channel high power setup. The sound good in HT but amazing when fed better power. The SDA's will be the same. By the way my HT rig has a Yamaha receiver at its heart.

mhardy6647

You do know, of course, that the next step is full mono -- maybe a single EV Patrician in the corner (or a Karlson K-15 loaded with an Altec 604B duplex), Brook 2A3 amplifier, and a Thorens TD-124 with an Ortofon mono MC cartridge. :-)

Schurkey

My most recent experience with Yamaha involved a "universal" DVD player.

I would take brand-new discs out of the wrappings; load 'em--and have skips and lock-ups. EVERY TIME. Not a disc in my house would play through.

Total Communist Chinese-sourced garbage; from a company (like Sony) that--twenty years ago--might have actually had a reasonably good product but has now slid down the slippery slope; all the time screaming "To Mediocrity--And Beyond!"

When the Japanese attacked the big American "Hi-Fi" companies, they did it by offering the best product they knew how to build; and letting competition handle the rest. The Chinese have a different philosophy: Sell **** that won't do the job; but sell it for thirty-eight dollars; and sell it using OTHER COMPANIES brand names on the boxes. Damned if it isn't working for them, too.

heiney9

nooshinjohn wrote: »

It has been a little more than 24hrs since my sda1c's have been set up in my living room. i have used them with my 7.1 set up for watching movies and tv shows, but where they really shine is when using pure direct mode in two channel operation. no special surround modes of coloration added to the music, no subwoofers... just the speakers and the cd player delivering the notes. When I close my eyes and listen to the details once hidden by all the artificial crap that I used to employ when listening to music I find enchantment in the subtle inflections of a singers voice or the in the movement of an artist from left to center stage and then to the right. A drum set, once rendered to nothing more than backround clutter is three dimentional, and with eyes closed I can almost reach out and touch them....

I will continue to employ my sda's in surround applications and they will do just fine, however I will look forward to every opportunity to listen to music of all genre with my new ears and my eyes closed... long live the SDA!!!;)

All you had to do is ask................I could've told you that

comfortablycurt

Keiko wrote: »

I don't know how to play guitar or the piano. But I have been looking for good rice cooker. I like rice.

Agreed. Rice is very good. I had some shrimp fried rice with my dinner last night actually. Gotta love that Chinese takeout.

OldmanSRS

I find 99% of music sounds better over SRS SDA's in 2 channel mode. That said, I also find SDA's soundstage doesn't sound as good off-axis as other conventional speakers. The sweet spot on SDA's is small. When I have people over, I run in 6.1 mode so the sound is more distributed. My room is 15 wide and 22 deep. That is likely a factor.

Is this in-line with what others on here are experiencing?

inspiredsports

OldmanSRS wrote: »

I find 99% of music sounds better over SRS SDA's in 2 channel mode. That said, I also find SDA's soundstage doesn't sound as good off-axis as other conventional speakers. The sweet spot on SDA's is small. When I have people over, I run in 6.1 mode so the sound is more distributed. My room is 15 wide and 22 deep. That is likely a factor.

Is this in-line with what others on here are experiencing?

I agree that the sweet spot really is more of a "spot" than a "zone". Sometimes moving just a few inches can make a dramatic difference in the effect.

BAD ASP

BottomFeeder wrote: »

Owwwie! Preach it, dog!

I'm a card carrying member of the "when-I-upgraded-from-a-receiver-to-separates-I-was-shocked-by-how-much-better-my-system-sounded" club. Don't feel like you HAVE to upgrade - now or ever - just know that there's more out there if you get the upgraditis disease that so many of us have contracted.

what he said X 1000's

I really think it comes down to how much the "quality" of the sound actually means to you. If you are into the small and subtle little drumstick licks (that weren't present in my "high end" Denon rig), the vastly improved soundstage, the vastly improved midrange and voice clarity, yada yada yada.Hey, Whatever floats your boat, I will never go back to integrated systems,but that's just me.

rayslifecycle

Russ_L wrote: »

I’ve actually sold off my two-channel system (Hyperion speakers, preamp and monoblocks amps) so I could put together a dedicated surround system. I’m thinking of combining old and new technology in the surround system. Model 10s at all five positions, and possibly a (new) Dynakit Mk III http://www.dynakitparts.com/store/product.aspx?id=3 powering each speaker.

Currently working on obtaining the 10s. I hope to have four of the five by the weekend. Will post pictures (and lots of questions) next week.

Russ

An original Model 10 owner 1981 –1990.:)

I'm not an original owner, but you will love using Monitor 10s for all your speakers. - I'm not there yet - but having the ability to dip into the 50hz range on all your speakers makes the illusion all the more real.

Having a dedicated 2ch system and a dedicated HT 5.1 system has allowed me to focus on each individually reducing compromise when making decisions. I love listening to stereo music on my 2ch rig - and I love listening to 5.1 material on my HT..........and now......time to start some upgraddes.

lentztf

SDA's are good speakers but there are alot of good speakers.

george daniel

usually at a much higher price.

PolkClyde

I only want sound from my 4 speakers when I'm looking at my 60"dlp TV. After that I love listeining to my 1.2's only when playing CD's. do that make it sense to you guys?

george daniel

eh,, no,,