B&K users wanted

Mike Reeter
Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
edited January 2009 in 2 Channel Audio
I've tried doing a search for "B&K" here and came up with nothing...

I've read that the B&K is a "warm" side of neutral amp...something I'm needing in our 2-channel set-up.

I'm looking at the Reference 125.2 and the 200.2

Anyone have any experience with either one of these,or any other B&K models? Or,could maybe attach some threads from the forums here...I've tried every I know.

Thanks in advance.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited January 2009
    you might try the advanced search as I know there are threads covering B&K.

    I have used there 7270 amp for several years, yes, excellent products, nice sound and defientely a cut above the ordinary, I might even say they are at the entry level of Hi-Fi. They use quality parts and large toroids.

    RT1
  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    edited January 2009
    Thanks,I'll try another search
  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited January 2009
    I'd agree with the assessment of basically neutral, but a touch warmer than some of the equivalent SS amps from other makers. For their multi-channel amps, the power supply is definitely beefier than the equivalent Rotel- and I think better than the matching parasound. This doesn't always mean more dynamics, but I've been impressed with the B&K amps. Made in USA, too.
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  • bikerboy
    bikerboy Posts: 1,211
    edited January 2009
    Hi,
    I have a ST-202 that sounds very good. It is quiet, neutral, and not too in your face dynamic with 160 watts/ch. I listed it in the flea market a long time ago but still have it. PM me if you are interested.
    Main system: Lyngdorf TDAI 2170 w/ Pioneer 42" plazma-> Polk LSiM 703 w/Tivo, Marantz tuner, BRPTT: Nothingham Spacedeck-> Pioneer PL L1000 linear arm-> Soundsmith DL 103R-> SUT->Bottlehead ErosDigital: I3 PC w/ Jriver playing flac -> Sonore Ultrarendu -> Twisted Pair Audio ESS 9028 w/ Mercury IVY Vinyl rips: ESI Juli@24/192-> i3 PC server
  • Kex
    Kex Posts: 5,194
    edited January 2009
    I think there's a problem with searching for B&K. Just "B&K" is too short (must be four or more characters), so you get "0 results", and the usual trick of adding an asterisk (B&K*) returns an error message:

    Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 20971520 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 71 bytes) in /home/www/polkaudio/htdocs/forums/search.php on line 2525

    Maybe the & is being interpreted as a control character (if that's the correct term). Anyway, some results here, if they help:

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=B%26K&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=polkaudio.com&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images
    Alea jacta est!
  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    edited January 2009
    Thanks guys,I'm looking for a warm natured amp. or I'm going to try some tubes.
  • Gadabout
    Gadabout Posts: 1,072
    edited January 2009
    I have several of the B&K amps - 125.2 S2, ST2140, 4420.

    I would agree with the assessments of neutral moving to the warmer side. I have no complaints with the amplifiers. They have given me zero problems. I was originally interested in them because of thier balanced inputs. Some would debate that there is no benefit of balanced inputs unless the whole amplification section is balanced. While I won't debate that issue, it does give me a chance to start buying components for the BAT amp I plan on adding to the 2ch system one day.

    Scott
    Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid. ..... Frank Zappa
  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited January 2009
    Gadabout wrote: »
    I have several of the B&K amps - 125.2 S2, ST2140, 4420.

    I would agree with the assessments of neutral moving to the warmer side. I have no complaints with the amplifiers. They have given me zero problems. I was originally interested in them because of thier balanced inputs. Some would debate that there is no benefit of balanced inputs unless the whole amplification section is balanced. While I won't debate that issue, it does give me a chance to start buying components for the BAT amp I plan on adding to the 2ch system one day.

    Scott

    B&K amp is great. I used to own 125.7 and was happy with it. I upgraded mine to Gemstone Blue Diamond for more horsepower and loving it. They are both have similar characteristics, but more oomph on the Gemstone, pushing 400 watts at 4 ohms is no small feat. I digress, though.
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited January 2009
    In my HT system I run the B&K AVR 507s2 driving my LSiC, LSIFX, and LSi7, and a B&K Reference 125.2 driving my LSi9's. Warm side of neutral is an accurate and fair description. Also very tight well controlled bass.

    The SQ I get from my B&K gear in my HT is the reason I won't move to an AVR with the new HDMI and audio codecs. My HT just sounds way to good with the gear I've got.
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
  • MADGSF
    MADGSF Posts: 603
    edited January 2009
    I have had good luck with my 7250II amp that I bought used a couple of years ago. The warm side of neutral, very quiet and very dynamic in my setup.
    AVR: Elite VSX-21TXH
    Amplifier: B&K 7250 Series ii
    Misc: Velodyne SMS-1
    Mains: RTi-10
    Center: CSi-5
    Rear: Boston DSi460
    Sub: SVS PC-Ultra
    TV: Panasonic TC-P58V10
    DVD: Panasonic DMP-BD60K
  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited January 2009
    Thanks guys,I'm looking for a warm natured amp. or I'm going to try some tubes.

    You don't say????

    Well being as I have both the B&K (400 @ 4ohm) and Tubes everywhere on balanced circuits.......................drum Rolll...........................................


    You guessed it.

    Tubes Rule.

    BAT=Beautiful
    Manley=well Manley for Men
    VTL=Viva La Tube
    Dodd=Delightful
    Cary=Crazy Cool
    ARC=Awesome

    They say the world will end in either fire or ice

    I choose Fire
    Tube Fire

    RT1
  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    edited January 2009
    You don't say????

    Well being as I have both the B&K (400 @ 4ohm) and Tubes everywhere on balanced circuits.......................drum Rolll...........................................


    You guessed it.

    Tubes Rule.

    BAT=Beautiful
    Manley=well Manley for Men
    VTL=Viva La Tube
    Dodd=Delightful
    Cary=Crazy Cool
    ARC=Awesome

    They say the world will end in either fire or ice

    I choose Fire
    Tube Fire

    RT1

    I'm looking very hard at a used VTL ST-85...or a B&K Ref 125.2/200.2

    That damn VTL is calling my name though:D
  • AndyGwis
    AndyGwis Posts: 3,655
    edited January 2009
    Caveat. . . if you decide to go SS, read on. If not, enjoy your tubes.

    Another B&K fanboy here. I've owned old (ST-202 and Pro-MC) and new (ST 125.2 and AVR 507 S2). Love all their stuff for the prices, especially if you can pick them up for 50% of retail or more on Agon, here, etc.

    There stuff is built so well that you can likely buy a 20 year old amp from them and feel confident in it performing another 20 years (if well owned). I like their build quality, looks, performance, reliability, etc. over just about anything else in the mid-fi category (Adcom, Carver, Parasound, NAD, etc.).

    Good luck on whatever you decide on. Maybe you have to use quotes "B&K" or something to get the search to work. I've tried it here tons of times as well as just B&K with no luck.
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  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    edited January 2009
    Used gear is right up my alley,have had my eyes on A'gon about 20-30 times a day.

    I already have a tube pre and CDP in the mix,just need a different amp.

    I knew there had to be some B&K owners around,thanks again for all your input.
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited January 2009
    dkg999 wrote: »
    In my HT system I run the B&K AVR 507s2 driving my LSiC, LSIFX, and LSi7, and a B&K Reference 125.2 driving my LSi9's. Warm side of neutral is an accurate and fair description. Also very tight well controlled bass.

    The SQ I get from my B&K gear in my HT is the reason I won't move to an AVR with the new HDMI and audio codecs. My HT just sounds way to good with the gear I've got.
    Bro can I give you a little inside tip?? The st125.2 amp you got on the Lsi9's is the same exact amp that lives inside the B&K 507s2. The 507 has the ref50 preamp and the st125.7 amp inside one box. You can get rid of the 2 channel and and be exactly the same. maybe better depending on the quality of the IC's you used.

    Dan
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited January 2009
    I've tried doing a search for "B&K" here and came up with nothing...

    I've read that the B&K is a "warm" side of neutral amp...something I'm needing in our 2-channel set-up.

    I'm looking at the Reference 125.2 and the 200.2

    Anyone have any experience with either one of these,or any other B&K models? Or,could maybe attach some threads from the forums here...I've tried every I know.

    Thanks in advance.
    B&K amps as said above are exactly that. Warm. Nice and clean with a powerful punch. Lots of reserve power for Dynamic range. At there price class I feel they lead the race. No one at that price point is beating them on anything except maybe style points.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
  • ksinc
    ksinc Posts: 2
    edited January 2009
  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited January 2009
    mantis wrote: »
    Bro can I give you a little inside tip?? The st125.2 amp you got on the Lsi9's is the same exact amp that lives inside the B&K 507s2. The 507 has the ref50 preamp and the st125.7 amp inside one box. You can get rid of the 2 channel and and be exactly the same. maybe better depending on the quality of the IC's you used.

    Dan

    Dan - totally realize that! I got the 125.2 for a really good price from one of our CP members. It does make the LSi9's just a touch more dynamic and open, and the AVR runs a bit cooler. Was it necessary, absolutely not, the 507s2 is completely capable of running a 7.1 LSi HT. Now that I have it will I get rid of it, nope. I'll move it to running the LSiC when I find a good deal on a 200.2 to run the LSi9's :D
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
  • phuz
    phuz Posts: 2,372
    edited January 2009
    I have the 200.2 S2 and love it. It's got gobs and gobs of power. My contour S1.4 can be heard clean and clear down the street from my house and the amp doesn't even break a sweat.

    Excellent amp. A tube pre-amp will provide the best of both worlds.
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited January 2009
    phuz wrote: »
    I have the 200.2 S2 and love it. It's got gobs and gobs of power. My contour S1.4 can be heard clean and clear down the street from my house and the amp doesn't even break a sweat.

    Excellent amp. A tube pre-amp will provide the best of both worlds.

    You had me at Contour S1.4's.....nice!!!!
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited January 2009
    I would say Parasound and B&K are able to produce hi-fi products.

    RT1
  • read-alot
    read-alot Posts: 812
    edited January 2009
    I would say Parasound and B&K are able to produce hi-fi products.

    RT1


    I would say that too. :)
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  • tcrossma
    tcrossma Posts: 1,301
    edited January 2009
    I had a B&K 200.5 powering my LSi15/LSiC for a while, and it was a terrific amp. It didn't do anything wrong at all, and it had good clean power and was a neutral/slightly warm sounding amp. Given that I then sold my LSiC to concentrate more on 2-channel, I sold it for a Belles Reference 150A and found the Belles to be a good notch or two above the B&K in terms of dynamics and sound quality. But I have nothing but fond memories of the B&K amp and would recommend them to anyone looking for a lower- to mid-level amp.
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  • Vancmann
    Vancmann Posts: 11
    edited January 2009
    I recently sold my B&K ST3030 on ebay. Was replaced by a pioneer elite. I do miss the sound of the B&K amp. Crisp and warm is what I could think of.
  • cokewithvanilla
    cokewithvanilla Posts: 1,777
    edited January 2009
    I power LSi25s with a B&K 7270 Series II... I used to power a C and FX's with it as well. I would have to agree with what has been said here. It's a good amp.