Velodyne or SVS

donedroolin
donedroolin Posts: 225
edited January 2009 in Subwoofer Hookup & Bass Management
Hey, Well considering setting up a second TV room and looking at subs. I already have a Nice set up with a Velodyne DD15. Love it. Never heard an SVS sub but they come highly reccomended. I am looking at the SVS PB13 Ultra. Since I don't see any Dual subs on SVS web site. If you could pick either one the Velodyne DD15 (or possible DD12) or the SVS PB13 Ultra. Wich would you buy and why.
TV- 52 inch LCD SONY BRAVIA XBR6
TV- 42 inch PLASMA HITACHI ULTRA VISION
AMP- PARASOUND HALO A-51
CONTROLLER- PARASOUND HALO C-2
FRONT SPEAKERS- LSi15's and LSiC
REAR SPEAKERS- LSi7's
SUBWOOFER- VELODYNE DD15
BLU RAY- LG SUPER BLU BH200
BLU RAY- SONY BDPS350
GAME SYSTEM- NINTENDO Wii
MONSTER POWER CONDITIONER
WIRES- AUDIO QUEST and MONSTER
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2009
    donedroolin wrote: »
    Hey, Well considering setting up a second TV room and looking at subs. I already have a Nice set up with a Velodyne DD15. Love it. Never heard an SVS sub but they come highly reccomended. I am looking at the SVS PB13 Ultra. Since I don't see any Dual subs on SVS web site. If you could pick either one the Velodyne DD15 (or possible DD12) or the SVS PB13 Ultra. Wich would you buy and why.

    I think you pretty much answered your own question. Since you already "Love" the DD15...why in the world would you even consider the SVS??? I'd stay with a Velo all day long over an SVS. For both HT & 2 channel listening the Velo is tops. I know, I already traveled the SVS road & as you can see in my sig...my dual SPL-1200R's are rocking my listening world!!!
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited January 2009
    agree with pearsall001. Although I think you should trade-in your 15 with a dual 18...

    forgot this marker: :);)
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,013
    edited January 2009
    polkatese wrote: »
    agree with pearsall001. Although I think you should trade-in your 15 with a dual 18...


    :eek::eek:
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  • donedroolin
    donedroolin Posts: 225
    edited January 2009
    polkatese, Not sure what you mean by Dual 18.
    TV- 52 inch LCD SONY BRAVIA XBR6
    TV- 42 inch PLASMA HITACHI ULTRA VISION
    AMP- PARASOUND HALO A-51
    CONTROLLER- PARASOUND HALO C-2
    FRONT SPEAKERS- LSi15's and LSiC
    REAR SPEAKERS- LSi7's
    SUBWOOFER- VELODYNE DD15
    BLU RAY- LG SUPER BLU BH200
    BLU RAY- SONY BDPS350
    GAME SYSTEM- NINTENDO Wii
    MONSTER POWER CONDITIONER
    WIRES- AUDIO QUEST and MONSTER
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  • donedroolin
    donedroolin Posts: 225
    edited January 2009
    And Thanks Pearsall001, Still not sure. Could save money with SVS. NEVER listened to An SVS. and theyy do come highly reccomended. I probally will go Velodyne, possibly DD12. Problem can't demo SVS. That Sucks.
    TV- 52 inch LCD SONY BRAVIA XBR6
    TV- 42 inch PLASMA HITACHI ULTRA VISION
    AMP- PARASOUND HALO A-51
    CONTROLLER- PARASOUND HALO C-2
    FRONT SPEAKERS- LSi15's and LSiC
    REAR SPEAKERS- LSi7's
    SUBWOOFER- VELODYNE DD15
    BLU RAY- LG SUPER BLU BH200
    BLU RAY- SONY BDPS350
    GAME SYSTEM- NINTENDO Wii
    MONSTER POWER CONDITIONER
    WIRES- AUDIO QUEST and MONSTER
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2009
    donedroolin wrote: »
    And Thanks Pearsall001, Still not sure. Could save money with SVS. NEVER listened to An SVS. and theyy do come highly reccomended. I probally will go Velodyne, possibly DD12. Problem can't demo SVS. That Sucks.

    Here's the one you really want & need...you might have to remortgage the house though!! :Dhttp://www.velodyne.com/products/product.aspx?ID=3&sid=197x576u

    Nothing at all wrong with SVS subs...I just feel that Velo makes a better product, especially when it comes to seemless integration for 2 channel listening. If you can swing another DD 15 that's the way to go. But adding a DD 12 wouldn't be too shabby either.
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • juliusbk4
    juliusbk4 Posts: 36
    edited January 2009
    Man that subwoofer is serious business! But for 13K it should be. The problem..you still need two in a room to balance things out.:eek:
    Sony KDSR70XBR2 70" RPTV :D
    POLK LSi-25s (Front)
    POLK LSi-FX (Surround)
    POLK LSi-C (Center)
    POLK LSi9s (Rear)
    Dual JL Fathom F113 :eek: (Sub)
    Onkyo TX-NR5007 (Receiver)
    Oppo BDP-83 (Universal Player)
    Toshiba HD-XA2 (HD-DVD/DVD)
    XBOX 360 Elite
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  • MHayes
    MHayes Posts: 42
    edited January 2009
    pearsall001 wrote: »
    I'd stay with a Velo all day long over an SVS. For both HT & 2 channel listening the Velo is tops. I know, I already traveled the SVS road & as you can see in my sig...my dual SPL-1200R's are rocking my listening world!!!

    Just curious what SVS sub you had? Was it the PB13-Ultra?
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited January 2009
    The DD15 is extremely hard to beat. Balanced in and totally musical. They hit low and heard yet are delicate and quick enough for even the most demanding music.

    I don't like SVS products at all. I have Installed serveral of them and left disappointed every-time. It's a shame 2 as I was totally juiced up to get one going only to be let down.

    If going with DD series again si out of reach , the SPL line is very very nice. You will be happy with them.

    So stick with Velodyne, they do bass right.

    Dan
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • donedroolin
    donedroolin Posts: 225
    edited January 2009
    Thanks mantis, I will most definately stay with VELODYNE. They do make AWSOME subs and are hard to beat for sound and quality. The SVS hype was getting to me and got interested. But I think thier is NO BETTER sub made then VELODYNE. I will probally go with a DD12., I LOVE my DD15 it is a KILLER sub.
    TV- 52 inch LCD SONY BRAVIA XBR6
    TV- 42 inch PLASMA HITACHI ULTRA VISION
    AMP- PARASOUND HALO A-51
    CONTROLLER- PARASOUND HALO C-2
    FRONT SPEAKERS- LSi15's and LSiC
    REAR SPEAKERS- LSi7's
    SUBWOOFER- VELODYNE DD15
    BLU RAY- LG SUPER BLU BH200
    BLU RAY- SONY BDPS350
    GAME SYSTEM- NINTENDO Wii
    MONSTER POWER CONDITIONER
    WIRES- AUDIO QUEST and MONSTER
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited January 2009
    Well all you Velo guys are certainly entitled to you opinion and there's some truth that the sealed cabinet with decent power of the SPL and DD series sounds great. For music, it's a subjective decision, both the Velo's and SVS Ultras sound great. For HT there's no competition. The PB13 or PC13 are on another level. I owned a 20-39+ and compared it side by side with a DD15 for a month. I just couldn't justify the additional bucks. I loved the DD15s EQ, it's tightness for music and power, but the SVS held it's own, not a match for the Velo for music, but still aced it for HT.

    Now the PB13 is another animal. It's got nearly the output of a pair of (12.3) Pluses subs and is extremely linear from 12/15hz to 100hz. It's as tight as the Velo with far more visceral impact. Not all, but many rate it higher than the DD18 or JL Fathom (Craigsub and his gang for one, Ilkka and the AvTalk guys for others). I suggest you think about it even if you're a music only guy. Check the AVS PB13 thread...there were many comparisons in the beginning.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2009
    Depends on your wants & needs. If music is tops on your list...without hesitation it's the Velo. For HT the SVS might have a slight edge. Now for the total combo package, HT along with prowness for 2 channel listening...Velo all the way.
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited January 2009
    SVS PB13 Ultra @ 15Hz mode Plus Velo SMS-1 will give you the best of both worlds. :)
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
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  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited January 2009
    I'm running a 20-39CS+ from when they were first released (i.e. serial number less than 70), so it had the original dB12.1 driver from TC Sounds. With that driver, I'd definitely give the music edge to Velodyne. But I just upgraded to the 12.3 driver recently and it's like a whole different sub. I notice an immediate improvement with music without equalization, and once I gave it a run through with Audyssey, that sucker blows me away. It pretty much addressed my issues with its lack of musical bass, and I'm actually getting a much flatter in-room response.

    Just sayin'... Don't rule them out. SVS makes a good product. If you give your general area, maybe someone's nearby who can let you audition theirs.
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited January 2009
    Man, I love my Ultras.
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2009
    Owned several real subs myself and my PB13U is here to stay. With my SDA 1Cs I do not need a sub for music. For movies the PB13U tears it up;)

    What I have not heard asked is what cf room do you have, that will help answer your question and if you bought a twin to your velo would you co-locate it or seperate.

    There's a lot more to subs than is this brand better than that brand. You need to determine what it is you are missing that makes you want to add/upgrade, room size and lastly but not least is $s.

    Might want to learn REW to better understand your room as well and think about EQing your sub. IMHO subs are the most difficult to get right. Wall treatments help as well.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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