Is it really right?

Motzart
Motzart Posts: 1,075
edited January 2009 in The Clubhouse
Ok I dunno how things work here at CP as far as sell'in things but......

Is it really fair to post something forsale here and 1 or 2 other places at the same time just to come back here and say opppsss it's sold elsewhere?
Maybe it's me but I don't resort to that unless it don't sell one place or the other.
IMHO don't post something at CP and 16hrs later come on and say it's sold off forum.
Esp when 4-5 PPL have posted intrest here at CP in that time frame with no reply from the seller. Cept to say the above.

For a noob that don't look good!

Just say'in

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  • MSALLA
    MSALLA Posts: 1,602
    edited January 2009
    Ya, thats not how it should be done.
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  • Rivrrat
    Rivrrat Posts: 2,101
    edited January 2009
    OTOH, I saw a thread going here where the seller sold off site clearly stated he wasn't willing to ship, yet ever offer he got required shipping. If you state you're not going to ship, and you don't get any local bites in a reasonable amount of time, I don't see a problem.

    How long should you wait to sell off site, or is it ok to post you have said item on other boards? I've seen that, and it didn't seem to be a problem.
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited January 2009
    Rivrrat wrote: »
    OTOH, I saw a thread going here where the seller sold off site clearly stated he wasn't willing to ship, yet ever offer he got required shipping. If you state you're not going to ship, and you don't get any local bites in a reasonable amount of time, I don't see a problem.

    How long should you wait to sell off site, or is it ok to post you have said item on other boards? I've seen that, and it didn't seem to be a problem.

    I don't wanna start a stir here but this person never said they wern't willing to ship.
    To be fair....you got a Polk item and wanna sell....give the PPl at the POLK forum a try.....24hrs no bite then go elsewhere.
    Don't post it...get bites(within 24hrs or less)....don't reply then "yank" the item.

    Not fair or right IMHO......brings to mind the donkey with the carrot bit!

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,458
    edited January 2009
    It's a gray area for sure.
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  • I-SIG
    I-SIG Posts: 2,238
    edited January 2009
    It is a gray area, but I think if you give a Polkie discount and state upfront that the item will be listed elsewhere, either immediately or after a specified time period, then I don't see how a seller can be more transparent.

    Wes
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited January 2009
    Motzart - I hope that you're eventually able to sleep again and your world is filled with butterflies and puppies.
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  • JohnLocke88
    JohnLocke88 Posts: 1,150
    edited January 2009
    Motzart. It was simply a matter of first responding getting first priority. Please refer me to the section of the Flea Market rules were posting ads in places other than CP at once is forbidden. I intentionally priced my gear to sell very very quickly, and it did.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,458
    edited January 2009
    JohnLocke88 wrote: »
    Motzart. It was simply a matter of first responding getting first priority. Please refer me to the section of the Flea Market rules were posting ads in places other than CP at once is forbidden. I intentionally priced my gear to sell very very quickly, and it did.

    Obviously, there is no such rule. It's got to do more with the spirit of the FM. Some understand that and some don't.
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  • Kex
    Kex Posts: 5,151
    edited January 2009
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Motzart - I hope that you're eventually able to sleep again and your world is filled with butterflies and puppies.
    My world is constantly filled with flutterbies and puppies, actually. I like the "spirit" thing though. Sounds nice, and I like how it feels. Sorry ... too much wine & music maybe ... :o
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited January 2009
    JohnLocke88 wrote: »
    Motzart. It was simply a matter of first responding getting first priority. Please refer me to the section of the Flea Market rules were posting ads in places other than CP at once is forbidden. I intentionally priced my gear to sell very very quickly, and it did.

    I think you made your "intentions" clear....CP apparently wasn't priority.
    I KNOW I'm not the only one that picked up on this.
    Whatever floats your boat but it didn't leave a good impression.


    NUFF SAID I think I've made my point perfectly clear.

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  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 5,192
    edited January 2009
    I-SIG wrote: »
    It is a gray area, but I think if you give a Polkie discount and state upfront that the item will be listed elsewhere, either immediately or after a specified time period, then I don't see how a seller can be more transparent.

    Wes

    +1. Polk price should be better and you should state that it's listed elsewhere. IMO of course.
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited January 2009
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Motzart - I hope that you're eventually able to sleep again and your world is filled with butterflies and puppies.

    WOW a genuine adult comment!
    How many beers did it take to think that one up?? :D

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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2009
    I usually list things here first and with a better price. I don't see anything wrong with listing things elsewhere at the same time though. Mo, sounds like you need a drink.
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  • JohnLocke88
    JohnLocke88 Posts: 1,150
    edited January 2009
    Motzart wrote: »
    I think you made your "intentions" clear....CP apparently wasn't priority.
    I KNOW I'm not the only one that picked up on this.
    Whatever floats your boat but it didn't leave a good impression.


    NUFF SAID I think I've made my point perfectly clear.

    And I think you've made YOUR intentions perfectly clear. Go whine about it more. I'm sure there will be a deal you can get in on in the future. I don't think whining to me first, and then creating a post whining shows you have this community's interests in heart.

    I'm done giving credence to this. I'll try to not let Motzart's behavior affect my perception of other potential buyers on CP.
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  • Kex
    Kex Posts: 5,151
    edited January 2009
    Now, now! Boys, boys! A little control, if you please!
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    Sorry ... just having some fun ... :o
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited January 2009
    Kex wrote: »
    Now, now! Boys, boys! A little control, if you please!
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    Sorry ... just having some fun ... :o


    Nooooooo problem.....it's a new day.....just a material thing.....moving on to more productive things.

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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited January 2009
    Venomous butterflies and rabid dogs.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,163
    edited January 2009
    It's a courtesy to post your sale here first..........usually at a lower price than you would sell to Joe Blow and then after either a predetermined time frame or reasonable time frame to move it along to other sites.

    It's poor form, however, not a rule to post a sale in multiple places. It's not in the spirit of how the FM has been run.

    Although, posting it here for$**** and then stating it's posted elsewhere for more is an acceptable practice. Again, not a rule.

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  • Pauly
    Pauly Posts: 4,519
    edited January 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    It's a courtesy to post your sale here first..........usually at a lower price than you would sell to Joe Blow and then after either a predetermined time frame or reasonable time frame to move it along to other sites.

    It's poor form, however, not a rule to post a sale in multiple places. It's not in the spirit of how the FM has been run.

    Although, posting it here for$**** and then stating it's posted elsewhere for more is an acceptable practice. Again, not a rule.

    H9
    +1

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  • Kex
    Kex Posts: 5,151
    edited January 2009
    Oops!
    Alea jacta est!
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,624
    edited January 2009
    If it's YOUR gear, YOU can decide where to sell your stuff and for how much. If buyers are expecting that they be granted some blessed price point, then get off your fluffy cloud and slam your **** back to reality.

    Just because someone wants to make as much money as possible from their item doesn't make them a bad person. Not everyone is in a situation where they can gift their equipment away to get another piece, so stop acting like babies.

    In case my point wasn't clear, it's ridiculous for anyone to EXPECT that they be given discount pricing. When it happens, great (be happy about it and live your life floating above the clouds), but when it doesn't, there's no need to piss and moan because your feelings got hurt due to not getting $10 off.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,458
    edited January 2009
    I'll try to not let Motzart's behavior affect my perception of other potential buyers on CP.

    I'm not so sure you'll have any.
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  • Shizelbs
    Shizelbs Posts: 7,433
    edited January 2009
    I agree with Brett.
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  • MSALLA
    MSALLA Posts: 1,602
    edited January 2009
    It was always my understanding that selling something on the FM was like selling to a friend. Give them a fair price and first dibs. If no one bites it's fair game to whoever for whatever.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited January 2009
    F1nut wrote: »
    I'm not so sure you'll have any.

    woot!!!!

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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 6,715
    edited January 2009
    Some CP members are more courteous, some are not. That's the way it goes. Not everyone on this forum considers themselves 'part of the family'. Some just come to learn, some come with the ultimate goal of selling, some come to bloat, some come to argue, etc. Luckily there are plenty who do treat this place like a 'family'.

    That said, when people are motivated to sell something, they have every right to advertise it in multiple places. Who is to say that member doesn't have an equally important relationship with another forum that offers sales listings. They may also be in a hurry to sell, which sounds like it was the case here.

    You win some, you loose some.

    That said, when I list things, I usually do allow some time for polkies to show interest before listing elsewhere.
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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited January 2009
    Lots of interesting points of view here. My thoughts are that if I sell something in the Flea Market it will most likely be under actual market value for a couple of reasons one being that I like offering a deal to people who have helped me with advice oppinions etc. Secondly it probally isnt going to sell in a forum setting at full market value people in forums expect deals and if the goods are priced too high your wasting your time and CP's space.

    I also will not sell to a member that has less than 25 posts unless they have been a member here for at least 2 years and im not giving someone who hasnt spent any time here the same deal that I would someone who has. in my oppinion if they want something from me fine buy it off ebay or audiogon at full price because you simply dont deserve the same deal.

    Now of course there is times where either I cant afford to offer up a great deal or it's something that I know that I would have a hard time selling here then off to Ebay it goes.



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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,679
    edited January 2009
    George Grand wrote: »
    Venomous butterflies and rabid dogs.


    Be afraid ..... be very afraid .......



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    F1nut wrote: »
    I'm not so sure you'll have any.

    That actually takes a lot of skill to say so much with so few words.
    Take a 5-spot from the cash drawer for that one.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,951
    edited January 2009
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Motzart - I hope that you're eventually able to sleep again and your world is filled with butterflies and puppies.

    Thats the polk code phrase for "mind your own buisness",just in case it slipped by ya.
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