The DIY Super Center Channel Thread

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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited December 2008
    mmadden28 wrote: »
    One thing that sorta has me on the fence (aside from potential lethal backlash from my wife if I spend more money) is how well will these match up with RTi12's as a center? I have a CSiA6 now. Will it be timbre matched/compatible?

    How much does the final product weigh?

    mmadden -- timbre matching should be the least of your concerns for HT. (I'm not sure about music in surround sound, but that sucks anyway.) I have had probably 15 or 20 different HT setups, most of which were not timbre matched and it doesn't make much difference. Just calibrate with an SPL meter and you're done.

    I'm guessing the final product weighs 80 - 100 lbs.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited December 2008
    Well (as being discussed in another thread), I think I'm going to leave my RTi setup (as pictured) since it works, and just create a new HT rig for the new dedicated HT/Media room. I already have some LSi9's for my 2 channel, so I think I might get some LSiFX's and build this beast for a 5.1 setup.
    Now I just have to figure out what to use for a new AVR and Amps. Oh boy.
    It will be a combo HT and 2 channel/Multi Channel rig.

    As far as laminate for the 4CC, I guess I could either try to match the LSi9's with some kind of Cherry laminate or keep it more budget and just make it all black and disappear like the LSiC.
    So it won't go in the entertainment center as pictured above, but on a ~24" stand just below a 106" 16:9 screen.
    At ~24" Would I need to tilt it? Or leave it flat?
    What kind of power does the 4CC like?
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  • Doug_D
    Doug_D Posts: 15
    edited December 2008
    Well thats the nifty thing about the Dynamic series! They can take all kinds of power, but on the flip side they are very efficient speakers and don't require tons of power! Of course you're going to get the best dynamics out of them with some good solid power like the XPA series from Emotiva :)
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited December 2008
    mmadden28 wrote: »
    Well (as being discussed in another thread), I think I'm going to leave my RTi setup (as pictured) since it works, and just create a new HT rig for the new dedicated HT/Media room. I already have some LSi9's for my 2 channel, so I think I might get some LSiFX's and build this beast for a 5.1 setup.
    Now I just have to figure out what to use for a new AVR and Amps. Oh boy.
    It will be a combo HT and 2 channel/Multi Channel rig.

    As far as laminate for the 4CC, I guess I could either try to match the LSi9's with some kind of Cherry laminate or keep it more budget and just make it all black and disappear like the LSiC.
    So it won't go in the entertainment center as pictured above, but on a ~24" stand just below a 106" 16:9 screen.
    At ~24" Would I need to tilt it? Or leave it flat?
    What kind of power does the 4CC like?

    Mmaden -- power the new HT setup with your existing XPA-5. Also, forget about the LsiFX's and go with the matching surrounds of the Dynamic series. It will save you a few bucks and the Dynamic will sound better.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited December 2008
    Early B. wrote: »
    Mmaden -- power the new HT setup with your existing XPA-5. Also, forget about the LsiFX's and go with the matching surrounds of the Dynamic series. It will save you a few bucks and the Dynamic will sound better.

    Hmm. I'll have to consider that-I might spring for another XPA-5 while on sale-I think I want to keep the old setup as is. (ha-'old' ;) now that's funny right there). I could just use other LSi9's I have as surrounds for now until I can build the 1s's.

    Holy crap what the heck just happened here :confused:
    Let me put the new HT stuff on the backburner here for a moment. I'm getting too far ahead of myself. :o I think what I'll do is go for the 4CC and put it in the mix in my current HT rig (in place of the CSiA6) to get a better feel for the changes since I'm accustomed to how it sounds now. Yeah-That's what I'll do. ;)
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  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited December 2008
    desert333 reported.
    Michael ;)
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  • clearwave
    clearwave Posts: 17
    edited December 2008
    The 1S is coming. Sorry for the delay but I'm trying to get a collaboration effort going with a local cabinet maker. I should have the drivers loaded in the test cabinet by the end of next week. He'll be making any cabinets for those of you that lack the carpentry skills. I'll post some pics by the end of next week. Happy Holidays everyone!
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  • TouchOfEvil
    TouchOfEvil Posts: 967
    edited December 2008
    clearwave wrote: »
    The 1S is coming. Sorry for the delay but I'm trying to get a collaboration effort going with a local cabinet maker. I should have the drivers loaded in the test cabinet by the end of next week. He'll be making any cabinets for those of you that lack the carpentry skills. I'll post some pics by the end of next week. Happy Holidays everyone!

    This was what i was wondering about while i read. I would love to try some stuff out but making these enclosures would be hard for me to do "not having any of the tools to do so.":(
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited December 2008
    TouchOfEvil wrote: »
    ...but making these enclosures would be hard for me to do "not having any of the tools to do so.":(

    Men need tools.
    Go get you some. grunt :cool:

    That reminds me of something funny... I was in Home Depot the other day (or was it Lowe's ah doesn't matter), with my 3 and 5 y/o sons. We were in the power tool section. My 3 y/o brought a tape measure to my 5 y/o and told him that we should get it for Mommy for Christmas. My 5 y/o said "No... remember Daddy gets the tools, Mommy gets beautiful things. My 3 y/o just so "Oh, right" and then handed it to me. :cool::D
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited December 2008
    TouchOfEvil wrote: »
    This was what i was wondering about while i read. I would love to try some stuff out but making these enclosures would be hard for me to do "not having any of the tools to do so.":(

    Swing over for a weekend:)
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
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  • clearwave
    clearwave Posts: 17
    edited December 2008
    TouchOfEvil wrote: »
    This was what i was wondering about while i read. I would love to try some stuff out but making these enclosures would be hard for me to do "not having any of the tools to do so.":(

    A few options for folks in this position:

    1.) Sub out the cabinets to a local cabinet builder.
    2.) Buy cabinets from me and I ship them to you.
    3.) There are other sources for cabinets like Lee Taylor, Elemental Designs, etc.

    I'm working on setting up a dealer near NYC that will be responsible for the finished speakers. Turnkey... the 4T are going to retail for $3100.00. You save big $$$ DIY.
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited December 2008
    clearwave wrote: »
    I'm working on setting up a dealer near NYC that will be responsible for the finished speakers. Turnkey... the 4T are going to retail for $3100.00. You save big $$$ DIY.

    Actually, that's a great deal in its price range. Should I assume that the center channel will sell for about half that price or $1,500? Based on other comparable center channels on the market, I think the Dynamic 4CC should retail for $2,500.

    FWIW, y'all -- I spent less than $700 to build mine. Compare this to any center channel that retails for about $700 and the value of DIY becomes obvious.


    BTW, Jed -- if you plan to retail the Dynamic 4T's, I'd suggest going with a different name for them. A different name will also differentiate them from the DIY option (unless, of course, you plan to yank the DIY 4T's once they hit the retail market. You should, IMO.)
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

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  • clearwave
    clearwave Posts: 17
    edited December 2008
    Early B. wrote: »
    Actually, that's a great deal in its price range. Should I assume that the center channel will sell for about half that price or $1,500? Based on other comparable center channels on the market, I think the Dynamic 4CC should retail for $2,500.

    FWIW, y'all -- I spent less than $700 to build mine. Compare this to any center channel that retails for about $700 and the value of DIY becomes obvious.


    BTW, Jed -- if you plan to retail the Dynamic 4T's, I'd suggest going with a different name for them. A different name will also differentiate them from the DIY option (unless, of course, you plan to yank the DIY 4T's once they hit the retail market. You should, IMO.)


    I've got to wait and see what happens this next month with the retail thing. The 4CC will be $1550 all made up in nice veneer. More than likely the series will get a rename and a curved cabinet or some angles to make them a bit more sculptural and exclusive.

    My roots are in DIY, so it's hard for me to give that part up. Also, about the pricing, I want to keep these competitive in the retail market... really competitive. Especially in this economy and starting up as a relatively unknown entity in an over saturated market.
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