3 phase electric Question

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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2008
    The panel is on a cinderblock wall as this was a garage at one time the meter is just on the other side of panel area. The worse would be to extend the sub panel wiring over, which is just below main panel about 12". Not a hard job it's just pulling the meter thing, which is where I'm not comfortable with.

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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2008
    Pulling the meter is easy. Clip the little tamper wire seal, and pull the meter straight out. That is the easiest part. Once the meter is out you will have no juice in the panel. You should shut off all the breakers before doing this, The same before installing the meter. I wish I were closer. Painting, computer , and electrical problems. With the short run to the panel life is good. All the household circuit wires accessible?
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  • I-SIG
    I-SIG Posts: 2,238
    edited November 2008
    It could be construed by your utility as current diversion if you clip that seal. Just FYI...

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  • nadams
    nadams Posts: 5,877
    edited November 2008
    I would NOT follow ben's advice on pulling the meter. The next time the utility company comes around, they will see the clipped seal and assume you were stealing service.
    Ludicrous gibs!
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2008
    Nope you tell them that you had a bad main breaker;)
    Been there done that. They may gripe a little, but they will get over it;)
    Ben

    Edit: Long story short. Unless you know somebody who knows what they are doing don't try this at home!
    Edit Edit: Nadams you realize to steal power you have to jump those big blades. I have a few times, but it can be a real bad thing. Just call the next day, adn say you had to do it that evening.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2008
    nadams wrote: »
    I would NOT follow ben's advice on pulling the meter.

    I concur. That's not only illegal but unsafe.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2008
    Well like I stated already I may leave that to some one else. Now saying that if push came to shave and that main breaker acted up again I may have to do what I need to do. Then call.

    But for the record what do "Electricians" do with the meter feed if something needs to be change out on that end? I wouldn't think the electric company would come out to pull meter then reinstall or would they?

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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2008
    We just cut the tab, and call saying we needed to change the main breaker;) No problem:) As for changing the meter depending on where you are sometimes the Elec company owns the can.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2008
    The power company owns the service to the meter.

    I don't know every state mandate but meters have to be pulled by the power company on existing service. We had a meter actually explode just 24 hours ago for no apparent, or on-site reason....think it's safe? Do you want to be THAT person?

    Do what you want, I don't care as its not my house or responsibility. If you came here to even ask about this issue, you should have your head examined.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I concur. That's not only illegal but unsafe.

    It is not unsafe to pull the meter. This was my job for many years. It is not illegal. If you have a problem with the main breaker you need to pull the meter to replace the breaker, or you will be at serious risk.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2008
    I would like to see that in writing or at least a cut and paste for your state.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2008
    I not going to do anything with the panel as my list is pretty long already and someone said they would for X already.

    But I think Ben had a good idea before now getting crazy. I don't think having meter switched out as the based I'm sure is different because of the 3 Ph thing. But if replaced just removing the high leg feed and rewire as a normal house would be a bad idea if done. IMHO

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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I would like to see that in writing or at least a cut and paste for your state.

    I lived in Fla, and did a lot of work there. I appreciate your concerns.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2008
    The power company owns everything up to, and including the meter. You shouldn't advocate doing things just because you did them previously. Especially, since state law varies but that's just me.

    Here's the Maryland verbage....

    http://www.alleghenypower.com/CSC/Services/Pages/Section9.pdf

    "The Company
    prohibits the breaking of Company seals by unauthorized
    persons, or tampering with meters or with any wiring
    equipment located ahead of the meter."
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    If you came here to even ask about this issue, you should have your head examined.

    Agree, but what was my first post just a question about 3 phase, at best I was just going to replace a breaker. But then got an education on AC power thanks to Wes and Ben, now we are talking about doing stuff I'm not comfortable with and is illegal perhaps. :eek:

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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    The power company owns everything up to, and including the meter. You shouldn't advocate doing things just because you did them previously. Especially, since state law varies but that's just me.

    Here's the Maryland verbage....

    http://www.alleghenypower.com/CSC/Services/Pages/Section9.pdf

    "The Company
    prohibits the breaking of Company seals by unauthorized
    persons, or tampering with meters or with any wiring
    equipment located ahead of the meter."

    Yawn
    In CT, and Fla you own the meter box, but the own the meter...
    Thanks again
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2008
    Steve - Stimulate the economy, hire a pro.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Steve - Stimulate the economy, hire a pro.

    I agree:)
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2008
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Yawn
    In CT, and Fla you own the meter box, but the own the meter...
    Thanks again
    Ben

    You're an idiot. Would you post the regulations for those states please.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    "The Company
    prohibits the breaking of Company seals by unauthorized
    persons, or tampering with meters or with any wiring
    equipment located ahead of the meter."


    Then it all becomes Grey area because the wiring we're talking about is after the meter. But then again start at meter.


    Well you can see my uncomfortableness about meters and all up to main breaker.

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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Steve - Stimulate the economy, hire a pro.


    I agree also, she can hire any pro she works with a lot of pro people. :D

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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2008
    disneyjoe7 wrote: »
    Then it all becomes Grey area because the wiring we're talking about is after the meter. But then again start at meter.


    Well you can see my uncomfortableness about meters and all up to main breaker.

    For me it doesn't matter since I'm touching the globe. You can absolutely do what Ben is saying but that's at your own risk. One slip and you're dead due to negligence.

    I'm out, yank meters, pull on wires...whatever, kill yourself for all I care. Good luck and happy listening.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    You're an idiot. Would you post the regulations for those states please.

    I love you too Bro. I thought the new Polk forum was aimed at being nice? You have called me a moron, and now an idiot. I know from experience. What do you have? How many places have you wired? How many years experience do you have as an electrician? I did it for 5 years.
    I did recommend an electrician;)
    Thanks bro
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2008
    ben62670 wrote: »
    I love you too Bro. I thought the new Polk forum was aimed at being nice? You have called me a moron, and now an idiot. I know from experience. What do you have? How many places have you wired? How many years experience do you have as an electrician? I did it for 5 years.
    I did recommend an electrician;)
    Thanks bro
    Ben

    Would you post the regulations for those states please.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2008
    LOL :D


    This thread is going crazy.

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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Would you post the regulations for those states please.

    You seem very adamant about it, you post them.
    Rock on. I am not playing your game. I am kicking back enjoying some Gordon Lightfoot enjoying myself with nothing to prove. I know what I have done, and what is acceptable. Again I recommend getting a licensed electrician to do the job.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2008
    Lol, owned.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2008
    disneyjoe7 wrote: »
    LOL :D


    This thread is going crazy.

    He does not like me;) I don't care anymore. He is a stand up guy when it comes to sales, but if you rub him the wrong way he will fallow you, and try to invoke you.
    Yawn
    Ben

    Edit: Doro reminds me of girls who were mean to mean in elementary school. They would act mean to me, but they were the ones I would kiss behind the dumpster:D LOL
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2008
    ben62670 wrote: »
    He does not like me;) I don't care anymore. He is a stand up guy when it comes to sales, but if you rub him the wrong way he will fallow you, and try to invoke you.
    Yawn
    Ben

    I don't dislike you and the rest is all BS. Keep in mind that what I do is overseen and regulated.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2008
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I don't dislike you and the rest is all BS. Keep in mind that what I do is overseen and regulated....so who doesn't like who?

    I have no problem with you. I would love for you to come down next get together. It should be this spring. I would actually like meet you in person. I don't like this internet stuff. I do know you have called me a moron, and an idiot. You have stated that I do appreciate the help that Polk has given me through my projects, but you have turned it into I am insulting the engineers that have helped me tremendously. I do truly wish we could talk. I will send you a PM with my number.
    Ben
    PM sent
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