SDA SRS 2 Bass Tone Down Help

Face

HB27 wrote: »

I opened up the room quite a bit. It's better. The SDA 2 series with 12" pr would probably have been a better choice for here.

That's the 1C. It sounds like a pair of 2B's may also work for you.

ND13

Somebody smart might be able to talk Harry out of those SRS 2s for some clean 2Bs and say....$400 cash.:)

Just sayin...

concealer404

HB27 wrote: »

I just had my brakes done at CarX there on 31 and they butchered the job. Darn things squeal horribly. They said drive it a week and it would stop. 3 weeks now and it sounds like a school bus. Nasty job. My highest NON recommendation possible.
I opened up the room quite a bit. It's better. The SDA 2 series with 12" pr would probably have been a better choice for here. I can't leave here for a while so it is what it is for now.
Look forward to seeing you again,
Harry

Hahaha, i do all my own work. These calipers have just about had it, though. I'll take a quick look at your when i'm out there...

I'm excited to see these beasts. If you don't mind, i'll bring my VS-25s over too, and see what you think of them.

Are you still running the GTP-400 on this setup?

HB27

concealer404 wrote: »

Hahaha, i do all my own work. These calipers have just about had it, though. I'll take a quick look at your when i'm out there...

I'm excited to see these beasts. If you don't mind, i'll bring my VS-25s over too, and see what you think of them.

Are you still running the GTP-400 on this setup?

I went back to the Juicy Music Merlin Pre. It's much smoother and I discarded the Amperex 7308 for Jan Philips without a lot of bass and it's not near as loud on the bottom. Bring your stuff with you and we'll play out a bunch of the stuff.
Harry

heiney9

ND13 wrote: »

Somebody smart might be able to talk Harry out of those SRS 2s for some clean 2Bs and say....$400 cash.:)

Just sayin...

So Noel where are your SRS 2's? Are they the ones Harry bought or are you just trying out the AR's?

chandler9a

Well Harry, I just wanted to congratulate you on getting those SRS's. The CRS left channel that you sold me turned out really nice, I took the advice from the thread and disconnected the Dim. tweeter and it sounds great as a center channel and matches my SDA 2B's perfectly.

Aaron

SCompRacer

Just get yourself some bass traps Harry, and keep them beauties.

ben62670

Glad to hear your center matches nicely with your SDA's.
Ben

HB27

chandler9a wrote: »

Well Harry, I just wanted to congratulate you on getting those SRS's. The CRS left channel that you sold me turned out really nice, I took the advice from the thread and disconnected the Dim. tweeter and it sounds great as a center channel and matches my SDA 2B's perfectly.
Aaron

Glad to hear it. At this point I think a pair of the compacts would have been ideal in here. I've got a job and a half trying to make these SRS 2 work in here. I haven't given up but I'm close to calling in a pro again.
Thanks,
Harry

ben62670

Harry do you have 3 feet on either side of them, and 6 to 8 feet between them? Also don't toe them in. Also 6-10 inches from the wall is pretty much standard. If you want less bass move them out a little bit more. If you have a helper handy you can have them tip the speaker to one side so the whole base is not coupled to the floor. Cones maybe a good answer for you.
Ben

HB27

ben62670 wrote: »

Harry do you have 3 feet on either side of them, and 6 to 8 feet between them? Also don't toe them in. Also 6-10 inches from the wall is pretty much standard. If you want less bass move them out a little bit more. If you have a helper handy you can have them tip the speaker to one side so the whole base is not coupled to the floor. Cones maybe a good answer for you.
Ben

Ben, No I don't have 3' on either side. Only one speaker has one side with proper clearance. That's why I used insulation around the speakers to absorb some of the cab resonance. I've got a bass trap behind and centered and I took the reflective panels off the sides to "open up the tweeters" a bit more trying to gain some balance. I'm exactly 6' apart, now 13" off the wall with zero toe in. Tweeters laser lined cabinet to cabinet and clear between them. I've already spiked the speakers which if anything made them worse and I'm putting MDF under the cabinets next to isolate them a bit from the carpet. I've got a lousy room for placement but I've always been able to compensate with tweaks and treatments. These bass monsters are the biggest challenge I've had. Brainstorms have been to weight the pr and even try disconnecting a couple of MWs and dummy load the leads to compensate. I've got the MDF under the cabinets now and it's helped quite a bit but made the bass tighter not softer. Still too much for even a close balance. I've changed cables, wire, amplification and preamps, and even rolled the tubes to lessen the lower end. IT's the room and I'm doubting I'll be able to blend these in. Just too much lower end on these I'm afraid.
Please keep the suggestions coming. Something may work.
Harry

nikolas812

Take the PR's completely out. That outa do the trick.:D



j/k of course...



I hope you get it figured out...



Nick

ben62670

I have some drivers disconnected now. I finally got enough 4 ohms drivers to wire them properly like the 1.2's(thanks Jeff), but the other 16 drivers are acting as PR's till my hand heals up enough to wire them properly. At high levels the MW's tend to pop. I really don't recommend doing this even with dummy loads. It will still throw off the XO point because the ohms change with the frequency(impedance curve).
Ben

artinaz

Harry, in one of your posts you mentioned that you had replaced the tweeter. You may have got the polarity wrong- that would get the treble down and make bass seem louder in comparison perhaps ?

one of teh terminals should be marked with red ink I believe.

Azi

artinaz

Finally found teh post I was looking for. This is from DarqueKnight-

"The tweeter wires should have color coded tags near the ends of the wires. All of the tweeter - wires should have a white tag. The top tweeter + wire should have a red tag. The second tweeter + wire should have a blue tag. The third tweeter + wire should have a yellow tag. The fourth tweeter + wire should have a green tag.

If the color code tags have fallen off or have been removed, you will have to trace the tweeter wires back to the crossover. The tweeter wires terminate just above a row of four resistors on the crossover circuit board. There are letters on the crossover that designate each particular wire color tag."

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20914

F1nut

His are SRS 2's and only use two tweeters, not four as used in the SRS's. Additionally, I believe the SRS's use clear coated stranded copper wire for the tweeters, hence the colored tags

SDA's general wire code:
Black or blue is positive.
White or green is negative.

HB27

artinaz wrote: »

Harry, in one of your posts you mentioned that you had replaced the tweeter. You may have got the polarity wrong- that would get the treble down and make bass seem louder in comparison perhaps ?

one of teh terminals should be marked with red ink I believe.

Azi

Yes I did replace one tweeter with blue and white wires. I matched the tweeters side to side after noticing the tweeter in the SRS was NOT marked. I'm always careful of polarity on drivers. I don't have a lack of treble just an overabundance of bass.
Thanks,
Harry

TNRabbit

SCompRacer wrote: »

Just get yourself some bass traps Harry, and keep them beauties.

Corner bass traps can made a huge difference....

HB27

I shouldn't have stated an overabundance of bass. When I heard these in a proper room they were an excellent balanced speaker even with one tweeter out (which could have happened in transport as I pulled that tweeter out of the cabinet for transporting).
My ONLY problem is I bought a great pair of speakers and put them in a room too small without the possibility of proper placement. There's not a thing wrong with the speakers themselves and IF I carefully choose source material they sound fantastic. IF NOT, then I have a very heavy bass projection which quite honestly makes my listening "less than desireable". It's not any genre of music either. My listening tastes are quite wide ranged. About the only music I don't listen to is "country". I grew up in the hills of Tennessee and it was the only music available back then. I'm an old **** getting too close to 60 now. I turned into a "Flower Child of the '60s and music was very important. My diverse listening preferences came about as the quality of my equipment evolved and I found beautifully produced music in many types. A true artist will move the soul with his efforts and is not to be ignored. Geez, I missed so much beauty and talent in the music by being limited in my earlier preferences. Quality amplification and speakers will bring out the passions and toils that went into the musicians life. I don't take it lightly. Done properly it is my passion that drives my madness in audio. If I didn't have this neverending drive to upgrade my systems I'd have more money in the bank or at least more in my pockets.
Harry

HB27

TNRabbit wrote: »

Corner bass traps can made a huge difference....

I'm very familiar with bass traps. I took this apartment across the street from my father's assisted living home a few years back. Dad died february 26th this year and I moved back to my house. The house was destroyed by the flooding here in central/southern Indiana this spring. I was lucky I had the apartment leased until august and my son and I had a place to go with a few modest furnishings. Most of my neighbors lost everything and were living in local gymnasiums and the likes. The destruction was almost unimaginable.
I've been dealing with the poor acoustical properties and the only placements possible in this small room for a couple of years now and I've got quite adept at tuning the room. The listening area is just too small to start with and I've made it worse with a half dozen pairs of big speakers, large entertainment system, hutch, and my audio set up. I already have dismantled my large entertainment system and I'm giving it to my sister when she can get up here to pick it up. I've moved most of the larger speakers into other parts of the apartment. Getting the entertainment center out will give me a few more sq feet that might help a little but I doubt it's anywhere near enough to make any significant difference but possibly open up the room a bit more. I don't have space to get everything out though. Every little bit helps and enough "little bits" may get the job done.
Thanks
Harry

heiney9

I've always felt that you can have SDA's that are too big. Everyone aspires to have the "big boys" without taking into consideration the room (not you in this case). I have 1C's in a medium sized room and I would pursue the big boys except there is no way they would sound as good in my room as my 1C's they would simply be too much speaker. That gets overlooked a lot when people are chasing SDA's. Some here say it's impossible to have too much speaker but when dealing with a large floor standing speaker like the SDA's this is certainly a serious consideration.

It really sounds like 2B's would have been a better fit in your listening space right away without all the fusing. The SRS 2's are right up there as the best SDA. I hope you can get things dialed in because it's a shame you wouldn't be able to get the most out of such nice speakers.

Good luck

H9

ben62670

heiney9 wrote: »

I've always felt that you can have SDA's that are too big. Everyone aspires to have the "big boys" without taking into consideration the room (not you in this case). I have 1C's in a medium sized room and I would pursue the big boys except there is no way they would sound as good in my room as my 1C's they would simply be too much speaker. That gets overlooked a lot when people are chasing SDA's. Some here say it's impossible to have too much speaker but when dealing with a large floor standing speaker like the SDA's this is certainly a serious consideration.

It really sounds like 2B's would have been a better fit in your listening space right away without all the fusing. The SRS 2's are right up there as the best SDA. I hope you can get things dialed in because it's a shame you wouldn't be able to get the most out of such nice speakers.

Good luck

H9

I am suffering from having way to big a speaker in too small a room. It really sucks trying to make them work. I hope to have my little ones built fairly soon. Maybe they won't

sound like poo

Ben

HB27

heiney9 wrote: »

I've always felt that you can have SDA's that are too big. Everyone aspires to have the "big boys" without taking into consideration the room (not you in this case). I have 1C's in a medium sized room and I would pursue the big boys except there is no way they would sound as good in my room as my 1C's they would simply be too much speaker. That gets overlooked a lot when people are chasing SDA's. Some here say it's impossible to have too much speaker but when dealing with a large floor standing speaker like the SDA's this is certainly a serious consideration.

It really sounds like 2B's would have been a better fit in your listening space right away without all the fusing. The SRS 2's are right up there as the best SDA. I hope you can get things dialed in because it's a shame you wouldn't be able to get the most out of such nice speakers.

Good luck

H9

This is the direct result of what you've mentioned. I don't know near enough about the personalities of the SDAs and my desire to have them is putting me through a crash course in the SRS. This is only the second pair of SDAs I've ever heard and the other pair was also set up properly with good amplification. Properly done they're among the best. If not, well they leave a bit to be desired. I'm learning and not ready to give up. I've been wanting these way too long for that.
I LIKE big speakers. I've put Carver Amazing, Maggies, Altec VOTT, Klipsch Khorns, Cornwalls, AR9 (all series), Marantz Imperial 9, numerous PRO, and EV Patricians in here without these extreme issues.
I bit off a big chunk this time though. It's a work in progress and more education at the same time.
Harry

ND13

heiney9 wrote: »

So Noel where are your SRS 2's? Are they the ones Harry bought or are you just trying out the AR's?

Yeah. Had no other choice at this time, so Harry and I did some bartering. I have always liked ARs and Advents, so it wasn't TOO much of a sacrifice. The ARs aren't quite as bassy in my huge room, but they do have certain attributes that are better than the SRS 2s, I will not lie though, I do miss my SDAs. Someday I'll get some more. I wouldn't mind some SRS 2s(again) or 2.3TLs when it's feasible. I'm also gonna look into some big Maggies in the future.

SCompRacer

TNRabbit wrote: »

Corner bass traps can made a huge difference....

Four GIK Tri Traps solved my symmetrical to corners speaker placement. They also absorb mid-bass frequencies. Prior, I had to avoid corners setting up along a long wall which placed me close to a back wall.

My bud Normanality (RIP) had SDA-1C's in a small room (14 x 12). The room was heavily treated with GIK-244 bass traps in corners/on walls and it worked well. Brock makes a very good point as I have heard 1.2TL's in large and small rooms. In reagrds to deep and tight bass presentation, a large untreated room works better than a small one.

HB27

UNCLE. There, I said it. I can't get the room to fit these speakers. I've been trying for almost a week now. It will be a week tomorrow afternoon. It's not the speakers as they do their job perfectly. Too small a room for this particular speaker. The more I try to balance them out the worse I seem to be making things. Too many compromises leave the complete system dull and lifeless or harsh and tinny sounding. I even got out the old Carver C-11 pre trying to work this out. leaving them alone leaves way too much bass in the room I can't trap or direct or tone down.
Anyone have a very nice smaller pair of SDA's maybe wanting to do some trading?
I guess I'll be headed over to the For Sale site in a few minutes. The consensus is a pair of the 2B would be a good fit in here. I definitely need a speaker that I can blend to this room. I guess it's why they make all the different versions.
Harry P.S. I've had this typed out an hour or more and hitting the "post" button is tough.

snow

Well it sounds like you have done pretty much everything you can do here, it seems a shame that you can get them to cooperate. Have you tried using silver interconnects and speaker wire to brighten things up a bit? and perhaps detract a little from the bass.




REGARDS SNOW

HB27

Thanks to all for the help, suggestions, advice, and a "smarta.. comment which made me smile a little in a frustrating situation.
I've got a trade going on for a nice pair of 2B SDAs and after hearing the SDA effect I think I'll be pretty pleased with the 2Bs. They should be a better fit in this smaller room. I hope so as I really liked most aspects of the SDA even in this little box I listen to music in.
Harry

danger boy

HB27 wrote: »

Thanks to all for the help, suggestions, advice, and a "smarta.. comment which made me smile a little in a frustrating situation.
I've got a trade going on for a nice pair of 2B SDAs and after hearing the SDA effect I think I'll be pretty pleased with the 2Bs. They should be a better fit in this smaller room. I hope so as I really liked most aspects of the SDA even in this little box I listen to music in.
Harry

I think you're going to like the SDA 2B's, but they are not shy on bass

Face

If they're pin/blade, look into the TL/RD0-198 upgrade, you'll be glad you did.