10g single or 14quad???

curved

heiney9 wrote: »

P.s. Go with the Quad

Definitely

I'll report what I hear

curved

Thank you William for clouding up this thread with absolutely nothing constructive to say.

WilliamM2

I would like to give some bad advice. Listen to William, and don't trust your ears.

But you don't trust your ears, or you would listen to them blind, and see if you really could tell a difference. Of course you would fail like everyone else.

Rock on Sweet William. BTW get your ears checked. Also removing your cranium from your anal cavity helps the sound tremendously.
Ben

If cables are so great, why take offense when I say you sound like a cable vendor? You're a hard guy to figure out Ben.

WilliamM2

curved wrote: »

Thank you William for clouding up this thread with absolutely nothing constructive to say.

Right, it's better to just let people believe in these delusions, and see if they can get others to join. Sami was right, religion is a good comparison.

SKsolutions

Tilting at windmills in the Great Cable Crusade?
Have you ever asked yourself why you bother posting this over and over, and why you can't just let it go say . . . some of the time?

I'll send you the bill, Bill.

Meeks32

Voice coil leads on the actual driver itself are only like 20gauge wire at best usually so I doubt the size of speaker wire going into it will matter very much unless its a very long run say to rear surround speakers. Quality of wire going into it might matter but I will leave that up to you guys to argue out.

McLoki

I did not read all the posts - but assuming you are not going to bi-amp or bi-wire.

10ga wire is obviously 10ga.

2 runs of 14ga wire is 11ga. (every time you double run of wire, it drops 3ga. - a double run of 10ga wire would be the equivilent of a single run of 7ga.)

If the price is the same and the wire sounds similar to you - I would (and did) get the single run of 10ga wire. All that being said - there is more to wire that just the guage, but since that is all you asked about in your first post - that is all I am responding to.

Enjoy,

Michael

Ron Temple

Bill, if you were posting on AVS there would be 20 supporters posting in support (actually just venting and not letting the argument die) for as long as the thread stayed open. Here, it's a bit different. I'm not a speaker wire advocate, but I have heard differences and I have done to blind tests to verify it. There's definitely diminishing returns and there's also the "so f**king what" factor. If someone gets a change and appreciates it why does someone else bother to tell that party, they are obviously subject to hypnosis, mass hysteria or just f'ing nuts. Debunkers, right or wrong, just get off by getting a load off.

ben62670

What I don't get is he acts like he is protecting people. Nobody here is trying to take their money, but just give advice.

heiney9

Meeks32 wrote: »

Voice coil leads on the actual driver itself are only like 20gauge wire at best usually so I doubt the size of speaker wire going into it will matter very much unless its a very long run say to rear surround speakers. Quality of wire going into it might matter but I will leave that up to you guys to argue out.

Spoken like a person who has never even given different cables a try :rolleyes:.

ben62670

Meeks32 wrote: »

Voice coil leads on the actual driver itself are only like 20gauge wire at best usually so I doubt the size of speaker wire going into it will matter very much unless its a very long run say to rear surround speakers. Quality of wire going into it might matter but I will leave that up to you guys to argue out.

Actually the voice coils are usually less than 28ga. I think you should run telephone cable to your speakers, and call it a day:rolleyes:

heiney9

WilliamM2 wrote: »

1.) I have tried to hear a difference in cables. I have even participated in blind testing.

In all your cable debates I and others have tried to get you to respond to whether or not you have tried to hear a difference. This is the first time I can recall you actually finally said you had tried it.

I still don't agree with you, but at least I don't think you're talking completely out of your **** anymore.

I hear a difference and you don't. We both tried it with dissimilar results. Still doesn't answer the question why you have taken his simple question way off topic into a debate.

H9

leroyjr1

Curve, see what you caused, a fight. People from Wisconsin always starting stuff. LOL

curved

No kidding Lee, what did I do......:D

Nobody is going to take my money....this is a hobby of mine that I enjoy and like to try different things which may cost some money. It's no different if it were my 78 Corvette. Parts and upgrades cost money and I may not be happier with it or happy at all.

Hell, at least I'm trying to stimulate the economy

Sami

heiney9 wrote: »

Still doesn't answer the question why you have taken his simple question way off topic into a debate.

I don't see it being his fault really, its the out-of-the-line comments he got in response. Someone stated he is in the minority with his cable opinion, which I don't think is true. Those who believe in cables tend to be the loudest with their opinion here.

If you have money to spend and have already done everything from component upgrades to room treatment, by all means, experiment with cable. If money is tight and you're worried your system won't sound good with budget bulk no-name 12/14ga cable and generic, quality IC's, don't. If audiophile people are failing to differentiate cables in blind tests, it's nothing to lose sleep over even if some people claim to hear a difference.

Now, if you hear a difference, whether it's real or placebo doesn't matter, you hear it in your head. If someone gave you a placebo pill and claimed it was anti-depressant and it made you happy, that's all that matters. The end result, if it sounds better to you in your opinion, that's good, whether the cable actually made a difference or not, or it was placebo.

F1nut

Yawn.

Meeks32

heiney9 wrote: »

Spoken like a person who has never even given different cables a try :rolleyes:.

Did I not say that higher quality speaker wire might make a difference? I never said that it doesnt. Just because a wire is thick doesnt mean that its high quality. Lets say that the inside of the amp has 16ga wire going to the output terminals & the tinsel leads on the drivers are 24ga, then why would having a 10ga wire between the two make a difference?

curved

So your saying there is a chance.......like one in a million?

leroyjr1

BJC for $25 it don't hurt to try.

TNRabbit

Meeks32 wrote: »

Did I not say that higher quality speaker wire might make a difference? I never said that it doesnt. Just because a wire is thick doesnt mean that its high quality. Lets say that the inside of the amp has 16ga wire going to the output terminals & the tinsel leads on the drivers are 24ga, then why would having a 10ga wire between the two make a difference?

Partially, because there are only a few inches of the small diameter wire and SEVERAL FEET connecting them...

curved

So I ended up getting 22 feet of the Quad 14awg. The wire was a lot thicker and heavier than I had anticipated. The sound, well, my 2 year old son is sleeping (fell asleep right next to the speaker) so I'll have to report back later...:(

Everything was just over $27 with shipping.

Sorry, pics were with my iphone.

leroyjr1

That was fast, what did you do next day shipping?

curved

Nope, just USPS. Ordered on Thursday and was delivered this morning. I was surprised to see it on my front porch after a Home Depot run.

leroyjr1

This is what i'm currently using for my HT rig. Just regular 12awg wire.

curved

Here is the deal with sound......sorry it took me a while to post, just a little upset about sports in WI:(

Mids seemed smoother - but wasn't sure if it was the placebo (too close to tell). So I went to back to this website: http://web.archive.org/web/20050418005741/www.snapbug.ws/sinewaves/

Before, there was a hole (the sound just cut out) between 130-140 hz.....like it got quiet in that hole and boom it was back to the same sound level. Now it's smooth through that.

I thought this was weird.......does this make any sense?

reeltrouble1

Thats quite a grip you have there curved, looks like you might have done that before.:D

RT1

curved

Thanks RT1...lol

Actually I'm a 9-time All American (Greco and collegiate), AAU National Champ, and 21x state champion wrestler from WI. So yes, I have done that before:D

TNRabbit

curved wrote: »

Here is the deal with sound......sorry it took me a while to post, just a little upset about sports in WI:(

Mids seemed smoother - but wasn't sure if it was the placebo (too close to tell). So I went to back to this website: http://web.archive.org/web/20050418005741/www.snapbug.ws/sinewaves/

Before, there was a hole (the sound just cut out) between 130-140 hz.....like it got quiet in that hole and boom it was back to the same sound level. Now it's smooth through that.

I thought this was weird.......does this make any sense?

My guess is there's something in your room shape/makeup that's causing a drop at that frequency.