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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,117
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    kevintomb wrote: »
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    Science used to say that the bumblebee's body was aerodynamically incorrect and therefore could not fly.

    Actually that whole story is a myth. Many People assert that it is true...but...

    http://www.snopes.com/science/bumblebees.asp ;)

    I did not say that scientists proved that bumblebees cannot fly. Bumblebee flight is something that can be verified by casual observation without the help of scientists.

    My point was that not everything in the natural world can be explained by science. Scientists at one time could not explain how a bumblebee could fly because they didn't have the tools to properly analyze the mechanical operation of bumblebee wings and they didn't understand all the laws of aerodynamics that applied to bumblebee flight. From what they knew, everything indicated that the bumblebee's body was too big and its wings were too small and short to create sufficient lift for the bumblebee's body, and for the heavy loads they carried.

    "The calculations that purported to show that bumblebees cannot fly are based upon a simplified linear treatment of oscillating aerofoils. The method assumes small amplitude oscillations without flow separation. This ignores the effect of dynamic stall (an airflow separation inducing a large vortex above the wing) which briefly produces several times the lift of the aerofoil in regular flight. More sophisticated aerodynamic analysis shows the bumblebee can fly because its wings encounter dynamic stall in every oscillation cycle.

    Additionally, John Maynard Smith, a noted biologist with a strong background in aeronautics, has pointed out that bumblebees would not be expected to sustain flight, as they would need to generate too much power given their tiny wing area. However, in aerodynamics experiments with other insects, he found that viscosity at the scale of small insects meant even their small wings can move a very large volume of air relative to their size, and this reduces the power required to sustain flight by an order of magnitude."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumblebee#Misconception_about_flight

    In summary, bumblebee wings act more like helicopter blades than bird wings or the wings of aircraft. That is why bumblebees can hover in place, move laterally, and move backwards...like helicopters.

    I find it odd that you would expend the effort to attempt to "refute" a comment I made in 2008, yet, when I recently asked you to explain your stereo evaluation methodology, you tucked tail and ran. You have interesting priorities.

    Reading comprehension is fundamental. ;)

    A bit strange on Kevin huh??

    Ban the trolls please b
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    vmaxer wrote: »
    A bit strange on Kevin huh??

    No, this is not strange for Kevin.

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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,142
    I was expecting to see cool pictures of modified LSi9 crossovers when I clicked on this thread. I was wrong and I am offended.
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    Go back to the first page, which was published in September of 2008.

    Obviously, Kevin didn't bring this thread out of retirement to discuss its topic. Maybe one day he will tell us what's really bothering him.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,350
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    Maybe one day he will tell us what's really bothering him.

    I think its creepy that he stalks you

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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,596
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    Maybe one day he will tell us what's really bothering him.

    I think its creepy that he stalks you


    I don't. I stalk Ray too ..... I thought that was normal...

    :wink:
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  • txcoastal1
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    EndersShadow wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    Maybe one day he will tell us what's really bothering him.

    I think its creepy that he stalks you


    I don't. I stalk Ray too ..... I thought that was normal...

    :wink:
    Yeah...at least you're quiet about it
    ...so what do YOU think about bumble bee's :D

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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,117
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    Maybe one day he will tell us what's really bothering him.

    I think its creepy that he stalks you


    I don't. I stalk Ray too ..... I thought that was normal...

    :wink:
    Yeah...at least you're quiet about it
    ...so what do YOU think about bumble bee's :D

    Bumble Bees can't fly..... :*
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  • EndersShadow
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    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    Maybe one day he will tell us what's really bothering him.

    I think its creepy that he stalks you


    I don't. I stalk Ray too ..... I thought that was normal...

    :wink:
    Yeah...at least you're quiet about it
    ...so what do YOU think about bumble bee's :D


    That's personal and none of your bees.....ness :smirk:
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  • txcoastal1
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    vmaxer wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    Maybe one day he will tell us what's really bothering him.

    I think its creepy that he stalks you


    I don't. I stalk Ray too ..... I thought that was normal...

    :wink:
    Yeah...at least you're quiet about it
    ...so what do YOU think about bumble bee's :D

    Bumble Bees can't fly..... :*

    Neither can helicopters...they just beat the air to submission
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    Maybe one day he will tell us what's really bothering him.

    I think its creepy that he stalks you


    I don't. I stalk Ray too ..... I thought that was normal...

    :wink:
    Yeah...at least you're quiet about it
    ...so what do YOU think about bumble bee's :D


    That's personal and none of your bees.....ness :smirk:

    BaaHaa ha...did you get that from one of your little girls books ;)

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  • EndersShadow
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    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    Maybe one day he will tell us what's really bothering him.

    I think its creepy that he stalks you


    I don't. I stalk Ray too ..... I thought that was normal...

    :wink:
    Yeah...at least you're quiet about it
    ...so what do YOU think about bumble bee's :D


    That's personal and none of your bees.....ness :smirk:

    BaaHaa ha...did you get that from one of your little girls books ;)

    No but if your going to be mean you can just buzz off tehehehehehe........
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,350
    edited July 2015
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    Maybe one day he will tell us what's really bothering him.

    I think its creepy that he stalks you


    I don't. I stalk Ray too ..... I thought that was normal...

    :wink:
    Yeah...at least you're quiet about it
    ...so what do YOU think about bumble bee's :D


    That's personal and none of your bees.....ness :smirk:

    BaaHaa ha...did you get that from one of your little girls books ;)

    No but if your going to be mean you can just buzz off tehehehehehe........
    Q: What kind of bee is a sore loser?
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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,117
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    vmaxer wrote: »
    A bit strange on Kevin huh??

    No, this is not strange for Kevin.

    I agree, but don't understand. I don't think he has any chance at all of convincing anyone here. Just total dis-respect and jealousy.

    Keep teaching up please. I enjoy your posts and can't wait till you take this hoppy seriously. B)
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  • tonyb
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    kevintomb wrote: »
    In other words, if you retell something over and over, even if it is wrong, many people believe it to be true...........

    This is true, and the heart of liberal thinking to boot, but it doesn't belong in a thread about crossover upgrades.

    Reviving an old thread to stalk Ray is trolling Kevin. Surely someone of your intellect can see that. If you have a problem with what Ray said in his review then ask the man specifically and properly about audio related things you may disagree with.
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  • ZLTFUL
    ZLTFUL Posts: 5,657
    Tis easier to have trolled and lost than to have never trolled at all.
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
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  • tonyb
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    Your splitting hairs and just looking for reasons to chastise. This thread has nothing to do with Bees and if you want to talk Bees....start your own thread in the clubhouse.
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    kevintomb wrote: »
    You guys miss the whole point as usual. :'(

    The story about Bumble Bees and flying is just an old wives tale.
    Read the Link I posted.......
    That was the overlying Point.

    Scientists never "claimed" anything, either way about it. It is simply a "Tale" that many people retell as if it is true.

    You posted an article which said the claim about scientists "proving" that bees can't fly was false.

    I did not say that scientists proved that bees can't fly. I said scientists used to say that a bee's body was "aerodynamically incorrect" and therefore could not fly. Clearly, a bee can fly, therefore something as obvious as bee flight cannot be disproved.

    It was only fairly recently that scientists fully understood the mechanisms of bumblebee flight.

    A similar statement would be "scientist's say there is no reason for the sun's corona (upper atmosphere) temperature to be millions of degrees when the sun's surface temperature is only thousands of degrees". The current mathematical models of heat generating astronomical bodies indicate that their atmosphere should become progressively cooler with increasing distance from their surface. Science cannot presently explain the extreme temperature disparity between the sun's surface and its upper atmosphere.

    My comment was an example of science not always being able to explain natural phenomena. You made the logical fallacy of conflating the concept of a repeated tale being taken as fact with the concept of science not being able to explain everything in the natural world.

    If you wanted to illustrate the fallacy of the often repeated tale being accepted as fact, you could have used blind testing in stereo audio. Some people accept as fact that the only way to avoid bias in stereo equipment evaluation is to do blind testing. This sounds reasonable on the surface and some people accept it as fact. However, the basic principles of sensory science and the research of the designers and inventors of stereophonic audio systems indicate and demonstrate that other types of testing, based on listener training and descriptive evaluation, are most appropriate for stereo audio.

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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    Bull...dude this is creepy...

    the only way you you pull out a old thread like this is when someone is out reading everything DK has written just so you can say here it is: I found something I can throw back at him and prove him wrong.

    Move on & get a life! is this all there is left for you?
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  • ZLTFUL
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    Troll on highway, troll on along
    Troll on daddy till you get back home
    Troll on family, troll on crew
    Troll on momma like I asked you to do
    And troll on eighteen-wheeler troll on (Troll on)

    Well it's Monday morning, he's kissin' momma goodbye
    He's up and gone with the sun
    Daddy drives an eighteen-wheeler
    And he's off on a midwest run
    As three sad faces gather 'round momma
    They ask her when daddy's comin' home
    Daddy drives an eighteen-wheeler
    And they sure miss him when he's gone (Yeah they do)

    Ah, but he calls them every night and he tells them that he loves them
    He taught them this song to sing

    Troll on highway, troll on along
    Troll on daddy till you get back home
    Troll on family, troll on crew
    Troll on momma like I asked you to do
    And troll on eighteen-wheeler, troll on (troll on)

    Well it's Wednesday evening, momma's waitin' by the phone
    It rings but it's not his voice
    Seems the highway patrol has found a jack-knifed rig
    In a snow bank in Illinois

    But the driver was missin' and the search had been abandoned
    For the weather had everything stalled
    And they had checked all the houses and the local motels
    When they had some more news they'd call
    And she told them when they found him to tell him that she loved him
    And she hung up the phone singin'

    Troll on highway, troll on along
    Troll on daddy till you get back home
    Troll on family, troll on crew
    Roll on momma like I asked you to do
    And troll on eighteen-wheeler troll on

    Momma and the children will be waiting up all night long
    Thinkin' nothing but the worst is comin'
    With the ringin' of the telephone
    Oh, but the man upstairs was listening
    When momma asked him to bring daddy home
    And when the call came in it was daddy on the other end
    Askin' her if she had been singin' the song, singin'

    Troll on highway, troll on along
    Troll on daddy till you get back home
    Troll on family, troll on crew
    Troll on momma like I asked you to do
    And troll on eighteen-wheeler

    Troll on highway, troll on along
    Troll on daddy till you get back home
    Troll on family, troll on crew
    Troll on momma like I asked you to do
    And troll on eighteen-wheeler, troll on (troll on)

    Eighteen-wheeler
    Eighteen-wheeler
    Eighteen-wheeler
    Eighteen-wheeler
    Troll on
    Troll on
    Troll on
    Troll on
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
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