Question on SDA1C

bobt
bobt Posts: 280
edited August 2008 in Vintage Speakers
I have a pair of these....with the crappy MDF feet i guess you would call them. One of them is pretty broke.

Should I just remove them both and let the speakers sit on the floor flat (or carpet) or should I buy some spikes...(which means i have to drill into the cab somewhat.)....anybody have any opions on this?
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited August 2008
    The feet on the 1C's should be plastic and there should be 4 of them per cabinet. Sounds like time for you to upgrade the feet.
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited August 2008
    Well what I ment was, on the bottom...thos plastic feet are stuck in these MDF rails...so the cad sit's an inch or so off the floor.
    Those MDF rails are now split and to the point of falling off.

    I was thinking of just takeing them off completely and let the cab sit flat on the floor.
    Do putting spikes on these really do anything?????
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited August 2008
    The 1C's I just bought don't even have the mdf rails, the original owner must have removed them. I've got plastic feet directly attached to the bottom plate on mine, planning on removing them and replacing with spikes.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,204
    edited August 2008
    bobt wrote: »
    Well what I ment was, on the bottom...thos plastic feet are stuck in these MDF rails...so the cad sit's an inch or so off the floor.
    Those MDF rails are now split and to the point of falling off.

    I was thinking of just takeing them off completely and let the cab sit flat on the floor.
    Do putting spikes on these really do anything?????

    You probably have 1C Studio versions. The cabinets are different. Those "rails" get old after awhile especially if they have had moisture absorbed into them at anytime. You could probably get rid of them but the spekaer will sit about 3-4" lower. I'd rebuild them with a higher quality wood and make a new base or add spikes to keep the height stock.

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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited August 2008
    yes, these are the black studio models, but those MDF rails are only about an inch...not much more.
    They have been moved a number of times....and are 20 years old. One set is pretty much shot.

    I was thinking of just taking them off completely....and let the full cab sit on the floor.

    I've heard good and bad things about spikes.....with the whole cab base sitting on the floor...you may get better bass????
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited August 2008
    I would do whatever is easiest. If the nylon feet are there, I would re-use them or buy new ones to put on the bottom board to make them easier to move.
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited August 2008
    The spike thing......I've read a bunch of stuff...when they did REAL audio tests with meters....not just peoples ears (as if they put spikes on, they EXPECT to hear a differance).......they do nothing..and in some cases..takeaway bass.
    Could be that these SDA's...may...give better bass with the whole cab sitting on the floor.
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited August 2008
    if they were mine.. and the rail was only an inch tall.. i'd remove it completely
    i doubt it will affect the sound seeing how it's only an inch shorter. spikes would be a good idea. but again, i don't think will make a night and day difference..
    remove it. ;)
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited August 2008
    bobt wrote: »
    The spike thing......I've read a bunch of stuff...when they did REAL audio tests with meters....not just peoples ears (as if they put spikes on, they EXPECT to hear a differance).......they do nothing..and in some cases..takeaway bass.
    Could be that these SDA's...may...give better bass with the whole cab sitting on the floor.

    If you rely on "meters" to tell you what you are hearing, you are in the wrong hobby.

    Get the spikes.
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited August 2008
    Well ..sorry....but the people who listened..didn't know what was on spikes and what was not...didn't hear any difference and in some cases said they like the speakers not on spikes.....same speaker.........the only difference was recorded on meters...so ..sorry...I'm not in the wrong hobby........
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,196
    edited August 2008
    Where's Nelson Pass when you would like to have him around?
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,196
    edited August 2008
    Oh, here he is......

    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not."--Nelson Pass
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,196
    edited August 2008
    That said, depending on the substrate that the speakers are on can determine whether or not floor coupling or spikes will yield the better end result. F the measurements. It's what your ears decide that gives the best observations of the end result. That being what hits your ears.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited August 2008
    bobt wrote: »
    Well ..sorry....but the people who listened..didn't know what was on spikes and what was not...didn't hear any difference and in some cases said they like the speakers not on spikes.....same speaker.........the only difference was recorded on meters...so ..sorry...I'm not in the wrong hobby........


    If YOU had actual experience with spikes...........then your opinion would be valid. As it stands...............your opinion has no weight.
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited August 2008
    Well sorry..this was done by some stereophile mag..im not sure if it was here or in the UK...but whatever...i will decide about this myself....try both
    Sorry..that's what they came up with......don't like it...to bad.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited August 2008
    Too bad? Maybe for you, certainly no sweat off my back. You've got the right idea now, try it for yourself. Let us know what the results are.
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited August 2008
    Didn't say I had an opinon..in fact i was asking for one......I was just relating what other (MAG) people had done.....I was talking about what a MAG had said.......
    but in the end...i will do what sounds best to me.
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited August 2008
    I have used these speakers for 20 years.....at max volume......all with the the MdF pieces for the stand.

    I have moved these......turned them in.....tilted them somewhat.....I always play them with the covers off.
    I have set them at the right stuff......1 foot off the wall...1 foot off the sidewall....in some cases it dose not make a big deal........if you turn them some.....not alot but....it dosen't make any difference....just to let you know
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited August 2008
    bobt wrote: »
    I have used these speakers for 20 years.....at max volume......all with the the MdF pieces for the stand.

    I have moved these......turned them in.....tilted them somewhat.....I always play them with the covers off.
    I have set them at the right stuff......1 foot off the wall...1 foot off the sidewall....in some cases it dose not make a big deal........if you turn them some.....not alot but....it dosen't make any difference....just to let you know

    The distance from the back wall can vary, but most people find that 6 inches works the best. However, you need a minimum of 3 feet from any side wall. Read your owners manual again, it explains proper set up in detail. Toe in or tilt is not recommended.
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited August 2008
    NO...toe in or anything else is NOT recomended...but the deal from 1988 said..1 foot off the wall..and 1 foot from the side wall.....(at min)......ok ...get it??????

    Sorry..I've had these speakers since 1988....and this is what POLK told me to do......
    this dose not mean you CAN"T have them 3 ft of the side wall......I'm just telling you what Polk said...back in 1988.....that was a MIN....setting.......so ...get a grip!!!!!!!
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,196
    edited August 2008
    Some peoples kids.........
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited August 2008
    If you'd bother to re-read your manual, it states the following. "Distance "S" (sidewall) should be at least 3 feet. Placement closer to sidewalls will interfere with 3-dimensional imaging."

    You seem to believe that no one else here has owned SDA's longer than you have or doesn't know more about them than you do. In either case, you would obviously be mistaken.
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited August 2008
    the distance is "recomended"....at MIN of ...1 foot off the sidewall....and a foot off the backwall.....get a grip............there is nothing that says 3 feet...at least not from the 1988 spec's...............
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited August 2008
    well i don't know what your supposed "PolK "experts think...but telling somebody they need to put a speaker 3 ft off there side wall...if they have only an 8 foot room...is pretty stupid.......what POLK diaigram or instruction manual told them to put these speakers 3 feet off the side wall...well I have not seen it...and if they told everybody that was looking to buy them..that crap...well i think they would have bought something else.........
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  • BrettT1
    BrettT1 Posts: 560
    edited August 2008
    It has pictures in the manual with measurements. They show 3' or more to side walls. I guess you're just screwed in your small room. Have fun arguing some more.
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited August 2008
    bobt wrote: »
    I have used these speakers for 20 years.....at max volume......


    max volume would pretty much kill any speaker known to man... yours must be superhuman SDA's to withstand max volume. I know mine can't. :confused:
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited August 2008
    So, let's see. Eight foot wall with the speakers one foot off the sidewalls, add in the width of the speakers and that leaves you with just 2' 7" between. Probably not the smartest move you ever made buying the SDA's.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited August 2008
    F1nut wrote: »
    So, let's see. Eight foot wall with the speakers one foot off the sidewalls, add in the width of the speakers and that leaves you with just 2' 7" between. Probably not the smartest move you ever made buying the SDA's.

    At least he won't have a problem reaching the volume knob while sitting in the sweet spot ;)
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited August 2008
    OK you people are far beyound what i could deal with anyway....if you really think that some instruction manual tells people they need to put these speakers 3 feet off there side wall is true....well I guess santa is going to leave you another set of speakers......

    the MIN..is 1 foot.......and the rest is up to you.....plus a foot off the backwall........
    This is a Min..recomended footage...at least in 1988...that is what the specs were in 1988....and they are what's "recommended"...the more impotant part is they want them 1 foot off the back wall...hey knock yourself out if you think it should be 3 feet...have fun
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited August 2008
    OK, who's going to volunteer to post a scan of that page from every SDA manual?
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