Is Less Bass Better Bass?

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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited June 2008
    SlowcarIX wrote: »
    have you tried it :confused:

    Actually yes, not in my own system but in my brother's HT system. We found better results with the GIK acoustics I wasn't using. He and I agreed that the dynamics killed some of the dynamics and realism that was once present. It may have fixed some resonance issues but the sacrifice was not worth it.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited June 2008
    Early B. wrote: »
    I think there's a fallacy in the audio world about dialing in the bass and leaving it there for every song and for every type of music. If bass serves as the foundation for music, it should be readily adjustable just like the volume on a remote. A remote controlled bass management system -- oh yeah!!:cool:

    damn straight.
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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited June 2008
    Ern Dog wrote: »
    There is something about bass that feeds me like nothing else can. This is my favorite part of the whole sound spectrum.

    Me too! Bass rules. Good bass is king!:D It's where the power in music is.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited June 2008
    speakergeek wrote: »
    Me too! Bass rules. Good bass is king!:D It's where the power in music is.

    This I don't agree with at all. The juice is in the middle my friend. That's where the real truth and soul shattering heart stopping movement exists.
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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited June 2008
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    This I don't agree with at all. The juice is in the middle my friend. That's where the real truth and soul shattering heart stopping movement exists.

    That sir is your opinion, and mine is mine. There are many, many who would agree with me. Tally ho...
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited June 2008
    speakergeek wrote: »
    That sir is your opinion, and mine is mine. There are many, many who would agree with me. Tally ho...

    True that :)
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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited June 2008
    Of course I'm thinking mainly of low subsonics fundamental (16 Hz pipe organ for example) that seem like they could crack my foundation. But 20-60 Hz can really pound too.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited June 2008
    speakergeek wrote: »
    Of course I'm thinking mainly of low subsonics fundamental (16 Hz pipe organ for example) that seem like they could crack my foundation. But 20-60 Hz can really pound too.

    What kind of subs you runnin?
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  • lanion
    lanion Posts: 843
    edited June 2008
    I just unhooked the bass module from my Bose cubes and the bass BLOWS ME AWAY!
    My Iron Man training/charity blog.

    HT:
    32" Sharp LCD. H/K dpr 1001 to Outlaw Audio 7900 to Polk LSi + Paradigm Studio center. Hsu DualDrive ULS-15. PS3/Wii. Outlaw 7900.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited June 2008
    Early,

    No. Bass is part of the audio equation. You can't omit it. You can't ignore it. It is part of the musical reproduction, part of the impact and experience of the reproduction. Yes. The more accurate the bass, mid-bass become the less "impact" [if you will] you may experience. This is good IMO. Some still prefer...........
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • goingganzo
    goingganzo Posts: 2,793
    edited June 2008
    the bigest problem i have with my bass is everything in the room shakes when you have a huge bass scene. i have fixed most of the rattles with cauck, drywall screws but the wall the sub is bult in to will move 1/6 of a in when it is realey low fr bass. heck sweeping 26leters of air is sweet
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited June 2008
    goingganzo wrote: »
    the bigest problem i have with my bass is everything in the room shakes when you have a huge bass scene.

    Turn the sub's volume down.;)

    At first, it's sorta neat to have everything in the whole damn house shaking, but after a while it's annoying, especially if the rattling of stuff in the room is audible. It's the car audio syndrome -- if there's too much rattling, chances are that the bass is distorted.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
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  • SlowcarIX
    SlowcarIX Posts: 887
    edited June 2008
    Gaara wrote: »
    The speakers are Gallo Ref 3.1s, they are pretty strong down to about 22hz with usable output below 20hz.

    Any eq should be able to give you ruler flat response, but there is more to it than that. IMO the improvements in the soundstage and imaging I got from a treated room outweigh the improvement brought by flatter bass. EQs just can't fix the issues caused by long decay times. I agree that EQ + treatments would be the best, as treatments are relatively ineffective below ~50hz or so in most cases.

    in my case when i had the sms-1, i could never get it flat - was so awful that it looks like humps on a camel!

    the sms-1 allowed me to find the flattest response by moving the mic around. i move the couch to the flatTER response position and then calibrated the system with audyssey, letting it flatten out some minor peaks.

    the next thing for me is acoustic treatment...but my room is non-ideal, too many openings - i dont even know where to start :(
    my 7.(1x4) HT setup
    TV - Mitsubishi WD-65734
    AVP / Amp - Onkyo PR-SC885P / D-Sonic 2500-7
    Front - Emerald Physics CS2
    Center - JTR Triple 12LF
    Surround L/R / Back - Polk RTi4 / Polk FXi A4
    Sub - 4 X Hsu ULS15 playing nearfield
    DVD / CDP - Sony PS3/40GB / Sony SCD-XA9000ES
    Belkin PURE AV PF60 / UPS
    Buttkicker

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60612
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  • SlowcarIX
    SlowcarIX Posts: 887
    edited June 2008
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    What kind of subs you runnin?

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showcase/view.php?userid=68675

    :D
    my 7.(1x4) HT setup
    TV - Mitsubishi WD-65734
    AVP / Amp - Onkyo PR-SC885P / D-Sonic 2500-7
    Front - Emerald Physics CS2
    Center - JTR Triple 12LF
    Surround L/R / Back - Polk RTi4 / Polk FXi A4
    Sub - 4 X Hsu ULS15 playing nearfield
    DVD / CDP - Sony PS3/40GB / Sony SCD-XA9000ES
    Belkin PURE AV PF60 / UPS
    Buttkicker

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60612
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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited June 2008
    SlowcarIX wrote: »
    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showcase/view.php?userid=68675

    :D

    I feel violated...:D. Honestly though, stuff starts shakin' in my room when I start getting into the sub 25 Hz range by running test tones. Below 20 Hz, it's all shaking or vibrating.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited June 2008
    SlowcarIX wrote: »
    the next thing for me is acoustic treatment...but my room is non-ideal, too many openings - i dont even know where to start :(
    The openings may be helping your otherwise square room.

    Besides some nice heavy drapes over your windows, corner bass traps, traps at the first reflection, it's hard to make suggestions without seeing the rest of the room.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited June 2008
    goingganzo wrote: »
    the bigest problem i have with my bass is everything in the room shakes when you have a huge bass scene. i have fixed most of the rattles with cauck, drywall screws but the wall the sub is bult in to will move 1/6 of a in when it is realey low fr bass. heck sweeping 26leters of air is sweet

    I personally wouldn't consider this to be a problem...:D;)
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  • goingganzo
    goingganzo Posts: 2,793
    edited June 2008
    i was running test tones for some frends put on a 15 hz and cranked it. they were like turn it down i cant breathe.. it was so cool
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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited June 2008
    goingganzo wrote: »
    i was running test tones for some frends put on a 15 hz and cranked it. they were like turn it down i cant breathe.. it was so cool


    Actually, my little Ultra does well at 15 Hz too (not like your 4 18's though)....can feel the pressure for sure. And stuff vibrating (oscillating).
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  • goingganzo
    goingganzo Posts: 2,793
    edited June 2008
    i would give it a well at any thing over 15 hz and under 80db. but that is prety awsome. i mean my sub is insame. in sims i can hit 120db@10hz @3ft
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited June 2008
    Sounds to me like you are yearning for a different style rig in a different room possibly for those recordings you want to get a different feel from. I do this with my 45/78 RPM rig. Sometimes you are looking for a different sound. As far as I can tell you just need different systems.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited June 2008
    You sir, are smarter than the average bear! ;):D
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • toddco
    toddco Posts: 147
    edited July 2008
    Goingganzo will you be my friend?
    RTi12's:D
    CSi5
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    Sony STR-DA2ES
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  • erm93ct
    erm93ct Posts: 14
    edited July 2008
    more bass is ALWAYS better
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