RTA 11T high freq issue

giles302
giles302 Posts: 5
edited June 2008 in Troubleshooting
Hi all. First of all, I love vintage Polks! I've got a pair of Monitor 11s, 5Jrs, SDA 1Cs, and just picked up a pair of RTA 11Ts locally.

I'm having a problem w/ one of the 11Ts, and need some advice. One of the speakers sounds weak or muffled in the high frequencies. The tweeter is working, but doesn't have the same output as the tweeter in the other cabinet. I swapped tweeters between the speakers, and the problem stays w/ the cabinet (not a tweeter problem). I swapped the speakers L & R with the amp, and the problem follows the cabinet (not an amp problem).

I tried to bypass the polyswitch in the crossover, but that didn't help either.

Could I have a bad series cap in the crossover? Any ideas what to look at next?

Thanks for any help you can provide!
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited May 2008
    Welcome to Club Polk. It sounds like you have a bad tweeter, or a bad cap. Try swapping tweeters from one channel to the other to see if it is the tweeter, or the XO.

    Ben
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    Thanks
    Ben
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited May 2008
    Ben, it looks like he has done that already. Sounds like it's something in line from the speaker post to the tweeter.

    Oh, 302 welcome to the forum.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited May 2008
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited May 2008
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Ben, it looks like he has done that already. Sounds like it's something in line from the speaker post to the tweeter.

    Oh, 302 welcome to the forum.

    OK. I'm tired:o
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited May 2008
    Happens to the best of us Ben. Tis'all good. ;)
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
  • dcmeigs
    dcmeigs Posts: 708
    edited May 2008
    I'd swap crossovers to see if the problem moves with the crossover, but yes is does sound like a cap.

    Have you found the crossover schematic in the first thread of the troubleshooting section?

    It's a simple fix if you can solder. Do a search for crossover mods in the vintage section and you will learn about sources for caps and your many options.
    The world is full of answers, some are right and some are wrong. - Neil Young
  • giles302
    giles302 Posts: 5
    edited May 2008
    Thanks for all the quick replies! My next step is to swap crossovers. I was holding off on doing that until I had a chance to hear from the experts on alternate ideas. :-)

    If I can isolate the problem to the crossover, I should be able to make a fix. I've done lots of soldering, so that shouldn't be a problem once I get the parts.

    Giles
  • dcmeigs
    dcmeigs Posts: 708
    edited May 2008
    If I remember correctly, that crossover has a cap in series with an RC (cap and resistor in parallel). Check that resistor too. You can do that with the resistor in place by leaving your leads across the resistor until the cap charges up (and the meter stops moving). A failing resistor would give you the signal loss you describe.
    The world is full of answers, some are right and some are wrong. - Neil Young
  • giles302
    giles302 Posts: 5
    edited May 2008
    I checked, and both resistors on both crossovers measure the same.

    It looks like the RTA 11T & Monitor 10 use identical crossovers. Is there any reason I can't just swap in a Monitor 10 crossover I can find on ebay?

    Link: Monitor 10 sch

    Link: RTA 11T sch
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited May 2008
    Not all monitor 10 crossovers are the same due to the different tweeters used over the years.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
  • giles302
    giles302 Posts: 5
    edited May 2008
    But if I can get a set of Monitor 10 crossovers that have the same components as my 11T, they should be a drop in replacement, right?
    Face wrote: »
    Not all monitor 10 crossovers are the same due to the different tweeters used over the years.
  • giles302
    giles302 Posts: 5
    edited June 2008
    Just wanted to close this off. I purchased a set of Monitor 10 crossovers, and they dropped right in (even the wiring harness lengths were the same as my 11Ts). I verified the component values, and they were identical between the 11T & 10B crossovers. Both speakers now sound great. Thanks all for your assistance!
  • dcmeigs
    dcmeigs Posts: 708
    edited June 2008
    Congratulations. Now you can visit the soniccraft website and buy some new Gen I Sonicaps and 5 watt mills resistors for those old crossovers. Once finished, you can swap them in for even better sound.
    The world is full of answers, some are right and some are wrong. - Neil Young