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Not yet, but they are catching up very quickly...
Worlds largest oil producers and consumers in 2006
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You are right, but don't you think that IF we went back to the conservationist ways of the 70's, the price would drop? It will, as we are the largest consumer. And more efficeint utilization would offset the cost increase.
If we cut back, we will become the 2nd largest consumer. That's the point.
We have set up China to be #1 in all things. The lopsided trade balance
with China has weakened the dollar. Their use is on the rise. America no
longer controls these markets. Same with steel and other raw materials.
They do the manufacturing. Soon they won't even need U.S. companies
to front end them. They will be selling cars, tv's, speakers, ETC. direct.
They make it all now, what do they need our corporate name tag on the front for?
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Thats a very interesting chart. The thing that struck me is that, as of 2006, not only were we the largest consumer, but that our consumption was 3 times China and so much higher than any other country on the planet. And of course our population is 1/4 the size of China's.....hmmmmm. With China's middle class growing day by day and seeing how that is being translated into purchase of automobiles, I think that conservation -- in a global context -- is going to be of very limited impact. We need to be thinking long-term and long-term to me means alternative technologies, not more drilling. People have pointed out that China owns a fair share of the U.S. economy, so even if we drilled in Alaska would we really be able to just horde it all for ourselves? Maybe that would have been practical 50 years ago, but I think we're way past the point of having an isolated economy.2 Ch.
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Norm Apter wrote: »Second, as others mention more money needs to be invested in alternative (not corn-based ethonol!) energies like solar, hydrogen and (wince) nuclear.
No need to wince at the thought of nuclear. It is one of the most safe and cleanest energy sources available. If you are ever in doubt ask most crew members of our Navy's sub fleet and many from surface vessels what it is like to really have a nuclear reactor on board ship. These things are safe. Most of the paranoia is from very old misinformation. Even France of all countries derives most of its power from nuclear. If the Frechies can do it, America should actually be embarrassed its still afraid of nuclear as a domestic energy source. -
No need to wince at the thought of nuclear. It is one of the most safe and cleanest energy sources available. If you are ever in doubt ask most crew members of our Navy's sub fleet and many from surface vessels what it is like to really have a nuclear reactor on board ship. These things are safe. Most of the paranoia is from very old misinformation. Even France of all countries derives most of its power from nuclear. If the Frechies can do it, America should actually be embarrassed its still afraid of nuclear as a domestic energy source.
Except if you have a SLOFA (Sequential Loss of Flow Accident) in which case the 150 pounds of 97.65 % enriched U235 powering your cruiser-class reactor goes prompt critical and power increases 1500 % in about 2 microseconds and blows the ship into the middle of next week, in an alternate universe.
Other than that ..... it's all good !
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It's not far fetched at all. What he starts talking about the real power brokers, as much as people don't want to believe it, is 100% true. The true power in the world is controlled by the money. The mega corporations dictate national policy and manipulate the economy. It's not only oil.
It's common knowledge that the fields in the ANWR are massive. As far as the the quality, don't be misled. It's very refinable, and can be done very efficiently. I have helped build the processes that do it. The technology is readily available.
If this country took a jingoist stance and kept all of the production of our fields within our borders, this would be a non issue. If we started to drill and produce from our known resources, we would not have to import any. It's just not going to happen. They won't let it.
It's all about profits. If people don't wake up our economy is going is going collapse. It won't matter to the powers that be, or to the politicians that have empowered it.
Good post Atny. Agree 100 %.Hard to talk economics,oil,gas,without bringing politics into it.Funny thing is,all these politicians,running for the top job,have all these ....idea's to solve all our problems.Well then,why did they all sit on their hands with these idea's when they were in the senate?Typical B.S. They pick and choose the hot button of the times and tell you they have the solution.That is untill they get elected and find out how things really work.Sad thing is,they allready know how things work from being in the senate and still promise pie in the sky.The only real change you will see is from private investers funding alternative energy products hopeing to capitalize or should I say,stumble, on to the next mass marketed energy source.Good old american ingenuity in the end.When we set our minds to it,we can accomplish great things.Getting so many people on board,running in the same direction,is a monumental task.But it is happening,slowly,and you see the change by wind towers going up,solar,and other alternative energy projects being done daily now.If your waiting for government to solve all your problems,you will be sadly let down.HT SYSTEM-
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... The only real change you will see is from private investers funding alternative energy products hopeing to capitalize or should I say,stumble, on to the next mass marketed energy source.Good old american ingenuity in the end.When we set our minds to it,we can accomplish great things.Getting so many people on board,running in the same direction,is a monumental task.But it is happening,slowly,and you see the change by wind towers going up,solar,and other alternative energy projects being done daily now.If your waiting for government to solve all your problems,you will be sadly let down.
Devices tapping ZPE (Zero Point Energy) have been invented since the 30s. Most notable was a shoebox sized free running device capable of outputting 50kW without any external input. It was well reviewed by leading scientists of the time (30s) who were unable to explain it. The inventor met with doubt and ridicule over the inventions workings and eventually faced the barrel of a gun by unknown assailants.
At the beginning of this decade, several companies tried to bring free running energy producing products to market. The first I followed periodically to watch the progress. One day all information regarding the company disappeared without a trace. The second company I followed on a daily basis. Just prior to having a two kW product (the intended use was for third world countries not having a power grid in place) ready for sale, all information vanished overnight without a trace. I can see web sites disappearing overnight without any residual presence. But ALL search engine repository information does not vanish overnight without manual intervention.
ZPE seems to be the likely alternative for clean energy production as it appears to have the energy density necessary to retire conventional fuels. It appears that the entrenched powers will still not let that happen as they have too much to loose if any viable alternative establishes a foothold in the market.
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No energy is magic. Something is consumed. Fuel is burned. Radiated
enery is absorbed. Wind is slowed down by windmills. Anything to the
contrary is BS."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
Physics, baby. There are some rules that can't be broken.
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sucks2beme wrote: »No energy is magic. Something is consumed. Fuel is burned. Radiated
enery is absorbed. Wind is slowed down by windmills. Anything to the
contrary is BS.
There is no magic involved. Did you conduct a cursory review of what ZPE is before posting your comments? Regardless, I doubt any products based on this will be forthcoming in the near future.
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Arthur SchopenhauerAll truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed and third, it is accepted as self evident.
