Denon VS Onkyo

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  • jaysonbarnett
    jaysonbarnett Posts: 257
    edited May 2008
    Hey xandra if you live in the east bay in california i have the 805 with the speakers listed below so if you want to hear the receiver let me know. If you buy the denon i will hook it up as well so you can hear the difference for your self that will let you know which of the two you like better. This is all i can offer but i will side with the onkyo because i have one and i love it. Hope this helps have fun
    Audio:
    Onkyo :tx-sr805
    Polk: rti8's
    Polk: rti4's
    Polk: fxi3's
    Polk: csi'3
    Velodyne: VRP 1200
    Epik: Caliber
    Video:
    Panasonic:TH-42PX60U 42"Plasma
    Power Conditioner:
    Monster Power    : HTS 3600 MKII Home Theater
    Dvd:
    Sony: BDP-350
    Game Systems
    WII
    PS3
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  • margate21
    margate21 Posts: 105
    edited May 2008
    there were some postings within the last week that said audiogon had the 5200 for sale. that sunfire was allowing authorized dealers to unload them (i am guessing for a new model coming out) people's pricing was $1100-1300. great price. i paid a heck of lot more last fall.
    Home Theater
    lsi 15's, lsi c, lsi f/x
    onkyo 805
    sunfire tga 5200
    toshiba - xa2
    panasonic bd30
    sony kdl40v2500
    svs sb12+
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  • malcolmp6
    malcolmp6 Posts: 70
    edited May 2008
    Get the Integra 8.8. It beats all.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,806
    edited May 2008
    malcolmp6 wrote: »
    Get the Integra 8.8. It beats all.


    You realize that internally it's exactly the same as the 875, except it is missing the "Pure Direct" mode? And it cost more.
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  • VXR8
    VXR8 Posts: 291
    edited May 2008
    Just on the Denon 3808 that I have recently purchased, I performed an update on my unit yesterday. This is a very easy process just with my broadband connection. You just go into the update menu and the unit does it all - no waiting for CDs in the mail.
    Regards - Gaz from the land of Oz

    Main System
    Denon - AVC-4700H
    Emotiva - XPA-9
    Cambridge Audio - Azur 851C - CXUHD
    Polk Audio - Legend L800 - Legend L400 - Legend L900 - LSiM fx - OWM3
    SVS - PB1000 x 2
    Foxtel - iQ4
    Belkin - Pure AV PF40
    Sony K77A9G

    Front Room System
    PS Audio - Sprout 100
    Cambridge Audio - CXC S2 - CA752BD
    Sony - UBX800 4K BluRay
    Polk Audio - Legend L200
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  • malcolmp6
    malcolmp6 Posts: 70
    edited May 2008
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    You realize that internally it's exactly the same as the 875, except it is missing the "Pure Direct" mode? And it cost more.

    Also there are some features like internet radio, HD radio, custom Reon controls that are not found in the 875.
    Not to mention the 3 year warranty.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,806
    edited May 2008
    malcolmp6 wrote: »
    Also there are some features like internet radio, HD radio, custom Reon controls that are not found in the 875.
    Not to mention the 3 year warranty.

    Didn't realize the 8.8 had internet radio, so I guess it is the equivilent of the 905. The 875 does have Reon custom controls and HD radio though.
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  • xandra
    xandra Posts: 291
    edited May 2008
    Where did you see HD Radio? I know it's Sirius and XM "ready" - but I haven't seen HD Radio listed.

    Does anyone know if the Denon runs as hot as the Onk?
    LR Setup:
    Polk RTi10's, RTi6's, CSiA6 (5 ch setup)
    Onkyo 705 & Denon 3808ci Receiver, Onk 875
    Parasound 2250 Amp
    Sony 26" KDL series Bravia LCD
    Panny DMR-EH75 Recorder
    Panny DVD-F87 (5 disk DVD player)
    NAD T585 (DVD/SACD)
    Yamaha DVD-C961 (5 disk SACD/DVD)
    SciAnt Explorer 8500HD Cable Box
    Orig & 5Gen iPods, , Wii
    Plans/Fantasies:
    • 400 disk player that handles ALL formats, sounds as good as NAD with Panasonic interface & compatability.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,330
    edited May 2008
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    You obviously have not listened to any of the new upper end Onkyo's.
    Well I have listened to there entire line from Onkyo to Integra including there seperates. I have Installed Onkyo and Integra with many different kinds of speakers, rooms etc. My opnion stands.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • VXR8
    VXR8 Posts: 291
    edited May 2008
    xandra wrote: »
    Where did you see HD Radio? I know it's Sirius and XM "ready" - but I haven't seen HD Radio listed.

    Does anyone know if the Denon runs as hot as the Onk?

    Not sure about the Onk, but I am driving a pair of LSi9s at moderate volumes in 2 channel and it has only ever got warmish, but never hot.
    Regards - Gaz from the land of Oz

    Main System
    Denon - AVC-4700H
    Emotiva - XPA-9
    Cambridge Audio - Azur 851C - CXUHD
    Polk Audio - Legend L800 - Legend L400 - Legend L900 - LSiM fx - OWM3
    SVS - PB1000 x 2
    Foxtel - iQ4
    Belkin - Pure AV PF40
    Sony K77A9G

    Front Room System
    PS Audio - Sprout 100
    Cambridge Audio - CXC S2 - CA752BD
    Sony - UBX800 4K BluRay
    Polk Audio - Legend L200
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  • xandra
    xandra Posts: 291
    edited May 2008
    VX8R: Is your receiver in a cabinet? (Mine will be going inside one, with an open back and front - I have about 12" of height availble for the reciever - my RTiA6 is hogging all)
    LR Setup:
    Polk RTi10's, RTi6's, CSiA6 (5 ch setup)
    Onkyo 705 & Denon 3808ci Receiver, Onk 875
    Parasound 2250 Amp
    Sony 26" KDL series Bravia LCD
    Panny DMR-EH75 Recorder
    Panny DVD-F87 (5 disk DVD player)
    NAD T585 (DVD/SACD)
    Yamaha DVD-C961 (5 disk SACD/DVD)
    SciAnt Explorer 8500HD Cable Box
    Orig & 5Gen iPods, , Wii
    Plans/Fantasies:
    • 400 disk player that handles ALL formats, sounds as good as NAD with Panasonic interface & compatability.
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  • VXR8
    VXR8 Posts: 291
    edited May 2008
    xandra wrote: »
    VX8R: Is your receiver in a cabinet? (Mine will be going inside one, with an open back and front - I have about 12" of height availble for the reciever - my RTiA6 is hogging all)

    No actually, it is on top of one, so that would help with it's ability to not overheat - good point! ;)
    Regards - Gaz from the land of Oz

    Main System
    Denon - AVC-4700H
    Emotiva - XPA-9
    Cambridge Audio - Azur 851C - CXUHD
    Polk Audio - Legend L800 - Legend L400 - Legend L900 - LSiM fx - OWM3
    SVS - PB1000 x 2
    Foxtel - iQ4
    Belkin - Pure AV PF40
    Sony K77A9G

    Front Room System
    PS Audio - Sprout 100
    Cambridge Audio - CXC S2 - CA752BD
    Sony - UBX800 4K BluRay
    Polk Audio - Legend L200
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  • LushMojo
    LushMojo Posts: 29
    edited May 2008
    We had the 875 and replaced it with the 3808. Absolutely no regrets.
    xandra wrote: »
    Am stuck in total indecision between the following Recievers:
    Denon 3808ci
    Onkyo 805
    Onkyo 875

    I've done a great deal of research, so you needn't waste time on spec comparisons...
    I'm mostly interested in you're personal experience with: audio quality, manufacturer support, and user interface. (I tend to favor Onkyo for it's ease of use/interface but I've only had a few moments with the Denon-so not surprising i found it rather oppressive: example: had to go to submenus to select listening mode*)

    Most importantly I'd like you opinions of
    Audio quality differences between the Onk & Denon,
    My main concern is music. (classical in particular, but also listen to oldtime Rock & R&B(Stones / Aretha) ie poor recordings.

    I'm particularly interested opinions of those who've actually heard both models
    or
    2 comparable models from each maker ie a 120watt onk vs 120watt denon.
    (I've tried for months to get to hear both with Polks to no avail...)


    If you have any other opinions about the pros/cons (not specs) of these models... please speak up.
    -* Is it easy to program universal remotes to get to Denon's menus/submenus?
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  • xandra
    xandra Posts: 291
    edited May 2008
    We had the 875 and replaced it with the 3808. Absolutely no regrets
    LushMojo: what exactly makes you prefer the Denon?

    Additional Questions:
    Does the Denon run cooler?

    Are you able to overcome the remotes' "shortcomings" by using macro's with a universal remote (I'm always toggling channel levels, surround modes - there appears to be no one click method with the Denon)

    How's the display of standard def video comparitively?

    Lastly: My main concern with Denon is interface - the complexity of making simple changes (submenu hell), made worse by the dreadful manual... Did you find this a non-issue once you'd worked with it a bit?
    LR Setup:
    Polk RTi10's, RTi6's, CSiA6 (5 ch setup)
    Onkyo 705 & Denon 3808ci Receiver, Onk 875
    Parasound 2250 Amp
    Sony 26" KDL series Bravia LCD
    Panny DMR-EH75 Recorder
    Panny DVD-F87 (5 disk DVD player)
    NAD T585 (DVD/SACD)
    Yamaha DVD-C961 (5 disk SACD/DVD)
    SciAnt Explorer 8500HD Cable Box
    Orig & 5Gen iPods, , Wii
    Plans/Fantasies:
    • 400 disk player that handles ALL formats, sounds as good as NAD with Panasonic interface & compatability.
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  • jon s
    jon s Posts: 905
    edited May 2008
    well... i am the opposite... i went from denon to the onkyo (but with the tx-nr905). the denon sounds smooth but flat. the onkyo sounds a lot more beefy than the denon. the soundstage or imaging on the onkyo is far better than the denon. it is true that the onkyo gets very hot, but it is because of the reon video processor, not the amps. if you select pure audio mode which disables the video circuit, the onkyo runs quite cool, but the reon processor runs hot like an oven. there were issues with the early prod onkyos (video levels were altered when the reon processor was engaged and the infamous dts-hd master "bomb") but recent ones with firmware version 1.08 are bug free. one other thing, the onkyo weighs a hefty 50+ lbs, the denon 38lbs. the weight has to be somewhere and it is in the hefty power supplies in the amps. also note that the power supplies in the onkyo 875/905 are seperate in the video and audio circuits which means less interference or noise. i am a firm believer, the bigger the power supply the better the amp....
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  • xandra
    xandra Posts: 291
    edited May 2008
    the soundstage or imaging on the onkyo is far better than the denon...but the reon processor runs hot like an oven
    Jon: where do you have your Onk setup?
    Is it in a cabinet?
    If so...
    How much space above?
    Is cab open in front? in Back?
    LR Setup:
    Polk RTi10's, RTi6's, CSiA6 (5 ch setup)
    Onkyo 705 & Denon 3808ci Receiver, Onk 875
    Parasound 2250 Amp
    Sony 26" KDL series Bravia LCD
    Panny DMR-EH75 Recorder
    Panny DVD-F87 (5 disk DVD player)
    NAD T585 (DVD/SACD)
    Yamaha DVD-C961 (5 disk SACD/DVD)
    SciAnt Explorer 8500HD Cable Box
    Orig & 5Gen iPods, , Wii
    Plans/Fantasies:
    • 400 disk player that handles ALL formats, sounds as good as NAD with Panasonic interface & compatability.
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  • jon s
    jon s Posts: 905
    edited May 2008
    It's in a open cab... front and back.... top clearance is about 6 inches and sides are 2 inches
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