Comparing components/speakers

jakelm

My 7's actually sound terrible if I were to listen to just one at a time. But together, they sound fantastic.

A measurement for dymnamic range can be taken when using the L/R method, with a mono signal. But to compare the soundstage, it would be impossible. The comparison should be made in the same form as what the system will be used. If you only listen to one speaker, then the L/R testing is valid. But I dont know anyone who listens to just one speaker at a time.

If your going to compare, then you need to compare in the same enviroment as you would listening to them on a regular basis.

And to add to that. Just because a speaker sounds good or bad as a single unit, doesnt mean that it will sound bad as a pair. A great soundstage can and does make up for a dynamic shortcoming. But great dynamics cannot make up for a soundstage shortcoming.

I hope I made some sense here.

heiney9

candyliquor35m wrote: »

And if it works for me then it could very well work for at least 50% of everyone reading this.

What method did you use to come up with figure.............I'm curious?

candyliquor35m

Because I'm hoping that 50% of the ppl here are at least willing to try it without any pre-conceived notion that it's not a good idea.

Didn't the sda's get terrible reviews by the audiophools when they were first introduced.

Don't bose still get good reviews.

BSUfbfan

You're right cl35m, (insert pat on the back)

Here is a perfect instance where your method would work http://www.atlassound.com/support/70voltRules.cfm

Just go buy yourself a nice 70 volt speaker system and you can use your mono method all day long.

If we're talking about comparing STEREO speakers, please quit confusing those who may wander onto the forums...

TroyD

candyliquor35m wrote: »

Point taken but I don't know of any well trained reviewers for major publications here including me so I have to use what works best for me. And if it works for me then it could very well work for at least 50% of everyone reading this.

I don't even consider myself a audiophile because that wreaks of being a snooty self-proclaimed know-it-all.

I do the best I can with my ears and brain but I'm confident in what I hear and what I don't hear enough to put my bad reputation on the line

Hell try it both ways and see what works best for you. I'm not ranting and raving about how your method sucks but I've tried it and it's not the best method for me.

Carl,

What does the fact that you don't know any of those people have to do with anything???

It's simple logic. First you have a REFERENCE. It doesn't have to be a megabuck rig, just something you are very familiar with the sound. You then swap in the new component, rig and compare notes. It has nothing to do with anyone being a 'reviewer' and everything to do with being rational and logical.

With your method, you can certainly tell something is different but because there is interaction between the L/R you can't reliably quantify the differences. NOBODY can and that's why someone who reviews doesn't swap a right channel speaker in his rig and leaves the left one alone.

I give up.

BDT

jakelm

TroyD wrote: »

I give up.

BDT

Ya big wusssss:p

candyliquor35m

TroyD wrote: »

Carl,

What does

I'm not saying it's going to work 100% of the time for 100% of the readers but I use it and works well for me most of the time. I rarely swap/compare whole speakers but it works well for tweeters, cables and wires. I eventually hope to try it on things like a cdp and maybe even a pre-.

It's just another weapon we can use when someone says cables and wires don't make a different

Joe08867

CL, I can't see how it would work even 10% of the time. You get two different signals from a stereo unless you are running a Mono album in either a CD player or Turntable. But even then the comparison will be skewed by the two different signals. And try to factor in the SDA effect is crazy.

The same would apply to cables for the reasons stated above.

And to try and compare a CDP would be useless. That would have to have the exact same output to even be credible and then the above mentioned would still apply.

TroyD

Forget it guys, he's a crackpot. Looney. His cheese has slid clean off his cracker.

Not worth the breath to respond, really. It's just frustrating to see someone trying so hard to peddle thier brand of idiocy as a credible alternative.

BDT

treitz3

NJPOLKER wrote: »

Is it possible to compare speakers/components by listening to left channel and right channel with different speakers/components in each speaker? It does not seem possible. What would you do, turn the balance knob back and forth, which is not an accurate compairson, a joke and you have to be a fool to think its a decent compairson. I think the only accurate way would be to have two pair of speakers with one pair one way and the other pair the other option. I know thats not going to happen often but for people to make that kind of compairsons and feel it holds water is wrong and gives new guys like me incorrecr information.
Just my opinion,
Drew

Um, NO.

candyliquor35m

TroyD wrote: »

Forget it

No comment. Your post has nothing to do with this thread.

Face

I tried a side by side comparison with different cables.

I was able to tell that there was a difference between the two sides, but wasn't able to tell which sounded better, clearer, more detailed, or which had better bass.

Concluding, the method is flawed and utterly useless.

treitz3

I'd like to know how in the hell one would ever tell one of the best parts of a speaker's ability could ever be tested by using one speaker? Imaging.

candyliquor35m

Face wrote: »

I tried

Did you think that maybe there was little or no difference between the 2 cables and that's why you didn't hear any. Maybe cables really don't make a difference

Face

One is silver, one is copper, I'm sure there's a difference. You yourself stated that you like solid core more than stranded.

NJPOLKER

dorokusai wrote: »

You should have punched your friend in the face, THEN told him it was a poor idea....follow up with "How 'bout THEM apples!".

Mark,
I agree!! Sorry Nick but next time I see you at work you better duck.
Here is an example of what is really wrong with some information here and far worse elsewhere.
We have a highly respected forum and the majority of members try to help others no matter what level of knowledge they have. Sincere help and accurate information is critical to having a credible forum. Facts are the key to a success in a forum like this. I really think some members should think about facts and stop being argumentative just because they find it amusing.
candyliquor you and others like you should either get with the program here of helping others and stop trying to entertain yourselves. Members who mislead others degrade this forum!
Drew

candyliquor35m

Face wrote: »

One is silver, one is copper, I'm sure there's a difference. You yourself stated that you like solid core more than stranded.

You just answered your own comparison and the left vs right worked flawlessly. By doing the left vs right, you confirmed there is a small difference as you stated but not a big enough difference to put your finger on it.

If you have done a listen and switch then I'm pretty sure your ears and your brain would have imagined something that wasn't there and make a bigger deal (difference) out of it then there really was and therefore made the wrong conclusion that silver is vastly superior because that's what everyone here has been telling you.

I have no opinion of silver vs copper because I have no silver to compare.

NJPOLKER

Again and again and again this guy has nothing to contribute. Same simple minded person who thinks of himself and not others.
If candyliquor and the others like him had interest in helping others they would try to do so instead of entertaining themselves. I know you (**** like candyliquor and others who have been banned) think its funny but for the people who may take what you recommend as good advice suffer due to you being ignorant. And you are ignorant. Thankfully we have members who stand up for what is real and try to help others. We have enough **** in this world we do not need them here.
Drew

Face

candyliquor35m wrote: »

You just answered your own comparison and the left vs right worked flawlessly. By doing the left vs right, you confirmed there is a small difference as you stated but not a big enough difference to put your finger on it.

If you have done a listen and switch then I'm pretty sure your ears and your brain would have imagined something that wasn't there and make a bigger deal (difference) out of it then there really was and therefore made the wrong conclusion that silver is vastly superior because that's what everyone here has been telling you.

I have no opinion of silver vs copper because I have no silver to compare.

ven when someone attempts one of your testing methods, I love how you twist things around and comprehend things the way YOU want to. I don't see any way of getting through to you.

candyliquor35m

Face wrote: »

ven when

Ok here's your chance. Now do a listen and switch and tell us the results. How do you know the left vs right method didn't work?