SDA - CRS w/sl1000 vs. CRS w/SL2000

dee1949
dee1949 Posts: 1,425
edited April 2008 in Vintage Speakers
......What do you think the main differences are in SOUND.....which would you think has the better overall sound. And yes I know to upgrade tweeters.....but I like to keep them original....at least for eternal comparison. Both having the TWO tweeter arrangement.
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited March 2008
    that is a toss up.. i couldn't say for sure.. as I don't care for either tweeter. so I hate them both equally.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2008
    If you can, go for the CRS+'s.
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited March 2008
    I've never heard the 1000 but I prefer the 2000 over any other polk tweeter I've heard which includes the sl3000 and the rd0194.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited March 2008
    Dual tweeter speakers suck(dimensional tweeters). The SL1000's probably never sounded good, and the SL2000's it is very rare to find a set that the dome hasn't hardened, and sounds harsh. +1 on what face said.
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  • dee1949
    dee1949 Posts: 1,425
    edited March 2008
    ...how about in comparison to other brand speakers you have tried. Both pairs seem to have better Presence and SPACE. Nice BASE. And for their size...FILL a room with wonderful sound. My OLD ears can't hear THAT spike.

    By the way they were driven with a B&K st-140 amp and B&K PRO10mc preamp...
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,820
    edited March 2008
    Why are you asking us, you heard them both it would seem. Which one did you like better?
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  • jtgranby
    jtgranby Posts: 887
    edited March 2008
    Did you pick up a pair?? You post all the craigslist polks in the area. Capital Hill:D

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  • dee1949
    dee1949 Posts: 1,425
    edited March 2008
    ...couldn't resist....had the SDA-crs w/sl1000....just hooked up the ones with the sl2000's.....but different amps. hard to tell ...both sound good. One set is in HT setup with Denon av receiver. Thats why I am asking. Too much of a hassel to keep moving them.
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  • Gary Batson
    Gary Batson Posts: 124
    edited March 2008
    They're both on ebay right now.
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  • jtgranby
    jtgranby Posts: 887
    edited March 2008
    dee1949 wrote: »
    ...couldn't resist....had the SDA-crs w/sl1000....just hooked up the ones with the sl2000's.....but different amps. hard to tell ...both sound good. One set is in HT setup with Denon av receiver. Thats why I am asking. Too much of a hassel to keep moving them.


    The Denon won't do them justice. Give it some more juice. I saw those but I wasn't going to fight the Cherry blossom crowds.

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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited March 2008
    Hey Sal. I saw you posting, and I was just making sure you were not making him an offer. I'm watching you buddy:cool:
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited March 2008
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    Just say no!
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited March 2008
    I am probably in the minority but I prefer the SL1000 to the SL2000. But either one will have issues because of the dimensional tweeter. Easy fix is to disconnect it and be amazed at the difference. I would wait and get some CRS+'s if you can.

    I still prefer the RDO194 to both the SL1000 and 2000.
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  • dee1949
    dee1949 Posts: 1,425
    edited April 2008
    ....will switch them in and out til I decide which is best for 2 channel. Both are in great shape and sound great in either location...HT isn't as important. Narrowing the scope.....those over 60....with upper end hearing lose....which do you prefer.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited April 2008
    Joe08867 wrote: »
    I am probably in the minority but I prefer the SL1000 to the SL2000. But either one will have issues because of the dimensional tweeter. Easy fix is to disconnect it and be amazed at the difference. I would wait and get some CRS+'s if you can.

    I still prefer the RDO194 to both the SL1000 and 2000.
    I agree 100%. I thought I was the only one who preferred SL1000's to SL2000's.
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  • 4406bbl
    4406bbl Posts: 194
    edited April 2008
    Has anyone tried a Vifa ring tweet in a crs+? I have been thinking along the lines of doing an lsi7 crossover with the vifa.
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited April 2008
    4406bbl wrote: »
    Has anyone tried a Vifa ring tweet in a crs+? I have been thinking along the lines of doing an lsi7 crossover with the vifa.

    I tried one in my sda 2b's and it sounded as bad as the rd0194
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited April 2008
    Face wrote: »
    I agree 100%. I thought I was the only one who preferred SL1000's to SL2000's.

    Nice to know i am not alone. I think the SL1000 is a bit of both worlds. It is smoother then the SL2000 but not quite as mellow as the Peerless. IMHO.

    I do like the peerless tweets. Almost as much as the RDO's.
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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited April 2008
    Talking about SL1000's...

    Take a look at the PDF http://manuals.harman.com/INF/HOM/Product%20Information/2000%20II.pdf for these speakers on sale local to me on craigslist http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/627420278.html what they call a " 1" Dome MidTweeter " is IDENTICAL to the Polk SL1000.

    Zoom to 400% on page 2 and page 4.....thats an SL1000 without a polk logo. Might go look at these just to see what they sound like.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,220
    edited April 2008
    4406bbl wrote: »
    Has anyone tried a Vifa ring tweet in a crs+? I have been thinking along the lines of doing an lsi7 crossover with the vifa.

    How will you still achieve the SDA? Why not just get a pair of LSi 7's or 9's if that's the sound you are looking for. The RD0's are the ticket if you don't like the sl2000. How will you fill in gap in the cabinet opening where the original tweeter was?
    candyliquor35m wrote: »
    I tried one in my sda 2b's and it sounded as bad as the rd0194

    Based on the person who tried this..........I think that's all that needs to be said.

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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited April 2008
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Based on

    Based on being one of the few that have tested most of the polk tweeters in side by side shootouts and willing to tell the truth about the results, listen and learn.
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  • jakelm
    jakelm Posts: 4,081
    edited April 2008
    shadowofnight wrote: »
    Talking about SL1000's...

    Take a look at the PDF http://manuals.harman.com/INF/HOM/Product%20Information/2000%20II.pdf for these speakers on sale local to me on craigslist http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/627420278.html what they call a " 1" Dome MidTweeter " is IDENTICAL to the Polk SL1000.

    Zoom to 400% on page 2 and page 4.....thats an SL1000 without a polk logo. Might go look at these just to see what they sound like.

    Not to drag up a day old thread, but, Shadow, that tweeter is a Peerless tweeter, without the Polk hole in the middle.

    The Peerless was Polk model # HL1000, not SL1000. The SL1000 was Polk's own version of the Peerless tweeter. The HL1000 was built by Peerless manufacture
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  • 4406bbl
    4406bbl Posts: 194
    edited April 2008
    heiney9 wrote: »
    How will you still achieve the SDA? Why not just get a pair of LSi 7's or 9's if that's the sound you are looking for. The RD0's are the ticket if you don't like the sl2000. How will you fill in gap in the cabinet opening where the original tweeter was?



    Based on the person who tried this..........I think that's all that needs to be said.

    H9

    The sda would still work as I would only change the tweeter side of the crossover,crs+ do not use 2 tweeters. The cabinet is an easy fix with a piece of wood and a router. I am just wondering if anyone has tried. I am not looking for a sound just the sl2000 are old and wrinkled and everyone raves about the viva.
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited April 2008
    I've tried the vifa and you won't find a better tweeter than the 2000. As you said you like the way it sounds. So it's wrinkled. That's what grills are for. Some of my dust caps are dented and I could care less. It doesn't affect the sound.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2008
    candyliquor35m wrote: »
    I've tried the vifa and you won't find a better tweeter than the 2000. As you said you like the way it sounds. So it's wrinkled. That's what grills are for. Some of my dust caps are dented and I could care less. It doesn't affect the sound.

    We know you have a hard on for the SL2000wc's, but his are old, and wrinkled. Old wrinkled tweeters don't sound good. Like I have said I have heard a pair of nice 2000's, but most of the 2000's I have heard sound like screechy crap. If you are one of the very few whose tweeters don't suck rock on. Saying someone won't find a better tweeter than the 2000 is retarded. Do you get off on posting crap you know is going to stink up the place?
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,820
    edited April 2008
    4406bbl wrote: »
    The sda would still work as I would only change the tweeter side of the crossover,crs+ do not use 2 tweeters. The cabinet is an easy fix with a piece of wood and a router. I am just wondering if anyone has tried. I am not looking for a sound just the sl2000 are old and wrinkled and everyone raves about the viva.


    Please don't hack up a perfectly good pair of SDA's. The RD0194-1 replacement tweeters are a major upgrade from the SL2000, try them first.

    Curious? Do you know what would be required to change the SDA crossover for it to use the Vifa?
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2008
    F1nut wrote: »
    Please don't hack up a perfectly good pair of SDA's. The RD0194-1 replacement tweeters are a major upgrade from the SL2000, try them first.

    Curious? Do you know what would be required to change the SDA crossover for it to use the Vifa?

    http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=264-555
    I am almost positive that Polk uses the same version as this. It is a 4ohm, and no where near what SDA have ever had in their SDA crossovers.
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  • 4406bbl
    4406bbl Posts: 194
    edited April 2008
    F1nut wrote: »
    Please don't hack up a perfectly good pair of SDA's. The RD0194-1 replacement tweeters are a major upgrade from the SL2000, try them first.

    Curious? Do you know what would be required to change the SDA crossover for it to use the Vifa?

    No I do not thats why I am asking.
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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited April 2008
    jakelm wrote: »
    Not to drag up a day old thread, but, Shadow, that tweeter is a Peerless tweeter, without the Polk hole in the middle.

    The Peerless was Polk model # HL1000, not SL1000. The SL1000 was Polk's own version of the Peerless tweeter. The HL1000 was built by Peerless manufacture

    Thats cool, I was just blown away at how close it resembled a polk tweeter...now I know why. Thanks for the reply :D
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  • BSUfbfan
    BSUfbfan Posts: 201
    edited April 2008
    4406bbl wrote: »
    No I do not thats why I am asking.


    I have the RDO-194 in my CRS+ and it is a huge improvement, not to mention that it is a drop-in factory replacement. If you install a completely different tweeter, the crossover would have to be modified for the impedence and frequency response of the new driver. Spend the extra dough on replacing the capacitors.
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