FS: VMPS Larger Subwoofer

VR3
VR3 Posts: 28,756
edited September 2009 in For Sale (FS) Classifieds
When I first got into this hobby....

I had a M&K MX125 - it was an ok subwoofer, very boomy and didnt go very low... the members here turned me on to SVS...

I then purchased a SVS PCi 25-31, this was my first venture into a real subwoofer. With the new found love for SVS, my Dad actually purchased a SVS PC Ultra... which is a phenominal subwoofer. But I had seen, and heard the limitations of the PC Ultra...

So I asked around, I wanted to find the biggest, baddest subwoofer for the money that was also great at music...

A friend of mine pointed me toward VMPS Larger, which, with a pair of Largers you can output 120 db at 20hz. Which is absolutely insane.

To give you an example, in the scene on Transformers where Ironhide shoots the ground, I played this scene (DVD player hooked up via. optical cable) and I actually felt like I was being lifted up from chair, the force from this subwoofer is SURREAL. It is a garunteed bombshell for ANYONE in a large room that needs major output...

This other upside to this subwoofer is it is a sealed design, push pull, with low compliance drivers. So you get incredibly fast and articulate bass... I have been very impressed with them. Only reason I am selling is because I have realized that I actually have to much subwoofer. I didn't even know that was possible.

From VMPS's Site-

The New Larger Subwoofer, in its restyled round-corner lowboy cabinet, is the lowbass section of our renowned Super Tower IIa/R tower (active 30 and 38 cm polycone woofers (12" and 15"), slot-loaded 38cm passive (15")) in an 226 l, 63 kg (138 lbs) light or dark oak veneered enclosure made from 25 mm (1") thick MDF. It is designed for the audiophile desiring the ultimate in separate lowbass modules without the expense involved purchasing the best competitive units of other manufacture. Distortion (0.5% / 1W), bandwidth (-3 dB at 17 Hz), sensitivity (92 dB/1W), and maximum undistorted output levels (115 dB/1m plus at 20 Hz) are unsurpassed and not even approached by all but one or two very costly competitors. Press comment on the lowbass performance of the STIIa/R include: "World Class" (High Fidelity Ap 85); "Awesome...left bruises on my abdomen" (Hifi News & Record Review, England, Ap 85); "Excellent dynamic response and overall accuracy...superb power handling capabilities...has an ability to show that bass can provide the listener with important sound-stage information" (Audio, Aug 85).

A single New Larger Subwoofer may be used with a stereo pair of satellites by driving each active woofer separately through two speaker level Passive Crossovers, which install inside its cabinet.

None of the VMPS Subwoofers are powered (i.e. have built-in amplifiers) for a number of reasons. Installing an amplifier inside a woofer enclosure, the common practice with "powered" subwoofers, invariably leads to amplifier failure due to vibration literally shaking the circuitry to death within a relatively short period. Examine the warranties on powered woofers and discover that many expire within six months of purchase, or warrant amplifier components for a year or less. Worse, the quality of such built-in amplifiers, particularly the dreadful Class B and Class D designs now popular, is poor; often the entire amplifier component is purchased offshore from a vendor for around $60.00. When a built-in crossover is provided, it too is generally of minimal design and execution, with the cheapest parts and wiring. Such built-in amps are often far from linear, cannot pass even a good sine wave at any frequency, and are burdened with contouring (bass boost of various sorts), infrasonic filters which ring and color the entire woofer output, limiters to prevent the user from playing the sub louder than about 100dB SPL at 1m, and other exigencies which severely limit dynamic range, output levels, and distortion. VMPS Subwoofers require no equalization or filters, since all extend response well into the first octave at very low THD and high output levels. Any main system amplifier of good quality and 20W rms per channel or more may be used, and the Subwoofers will uncomplainingly accept prodigious amounts of power.

Press coverage on the VMPS Original Subwoofer includes a full review in Stereophile magazine VIII/4 August 85. They comment: "The VMPS bass character is clean, quite tight, and thunderous, qualities that improved the (main speaker's) sense of dynamic bloom...its flexibility is such that it should partner well with a wide variety of speaker systems...it is a whale of a good buy and highly recommended". J. Peter Moncrieff, wiring in IAR Hotline 31 about the Widerange Ribbon speaker system which employs two Original Subwoofers for bass below 60Hz, comments: "A VMPS demonstration of the famous Dafos drum whack left no doubt as to the most powerful, well controlled deep bass we'd ever heard (sharing top honors with multiple Entec subwoofers.)"

NASA's Langley Research Center has purchased two Larger VMPS Subwoofers as a source of 118+ dB, 20 Hz tone bursts. The Larger Subwoofer was the only commercially available system capable of so doing.



Specifications
The New Larger Subwoofer, in its restyled round-corner lowboy cabinet, is the lowbass section of our renowned Super Tower IIa/R tower (active 30 and 38 cm polycone woofers (12" and 15"), slot-loaded 38cm passive (15")) in an 226 l, 63 kg (138 lbs) light or dark oak veneered enclosure made from 25 mm (1") thick MDF. It is designed for the audiophile desiring the ultimate in separate lowbass modules without the expense involved purchasing the best competitive units of other manufacture. Distortion (0.5% / 1W), bandwidth (-3 dB at 17 Hz), sensitivity (92 dB/1W), and maximum undistorted output levels (115 dB/1m plus at 20 Hz) are unsurpassed and not even approached by all but one or two very costly competitors. Press comment on the lowbass performance of the STIIa/R include: "World Class" (High Fidelity Ap 85); "Awesome...left bruises on my abdomen" (Hifi News & Record Review, England, Ap 85); "Excellent dynamic response and overall accuracy...superb power handling capabilities...has an ability to show that bass can provide the listener with important sound-stage information" (Audio, Aug 85).

A single New Larger Subwoofer may be used with a stereo pair of satellites by driving each active woofer separately through two speaker level Passive Crossovers, which install inside its cabinet.

None of the VMPS Subwoofers are powered (i.e. have built-in amplifiers) for a number of reasons. Installing an amplifier inside a woofer enclosure, the common practice with "powered" subwoofers, invariably leads to amplifier failure due to vibration literally shaking the circuitry to death within a relatively short period. Examine the warranties on powered woofers and discover that many expire within six months of purchase, or warrant amplifier components for a year or less. Worse, the quality of such built-in amplifiers, particularly the dreadful Class B and Class D designs now popular, is poor; often the entire amplifier component is purchased offshore from a vendor for around $60.00. When a built-in crossover is provided, it too is generally of minimal design and execution, with the cheapest parts and wiring. Such built-in amps are often far from linear, cannot pass even a good sine wave at any frequency, and are burdened with contouring (bass boost of various sorts), infrasonic filters which ring and color the entire woofer output, limiters to prevent the user from playing the sub louder than about 100dB SPL at 1m, and other exigencies which severely limit dynamic range, output levels, and distortion. VMPS Subwoofers require no equalization or filters, since all extend response well into the first octave at very low THD and high output levels. Any main system amplifier of good quality and 20W rms per channel or more may be used, and the Subwoofers will uncomplainingly accept prodigious amounts of power.

Press coverage on the VMPS Original Subwoofer includes a full review in Stereophile magazine VIII/4 August 85. They comment: "The VMPS bass character is clean, quite tight, and thunderous, qualities that improved the (main speaker's) sense of dynamic bloom...its flexibility is such that it should partner well with a wide variety of speaker systems...it is a whale of a good buy and highly recommended". J. Peter Moncrieff, wiring in IAR Hotline 31 about the Widerange Ribbon speaker system which employs two Original Subwoofers for bass below 60Hz, comments: "A VMPS demonstration of the famous Dafos drum whack left no doubt as to the most powerful, well controlled deep bass we'd ever heard (sharing top honors with multiple Entec subwoofers.)"

NASA's Langley Research Center has purchased two Larger VMPS Subwoofers as a source of 118+ dB, 20 Hz tone bursts. The Larger Subwoofer was the only commercially available system capable of so doing.



Specifications
Drivers: - 38cm (15") WCF Megawoofer, 30cm (12") WCF Megawoofer, 38cm (15") Passive Radiator
Rec. xover range: - 60 Hz - 250 Hz
Internal wiring: - Analysis Plus Speaker Wire
Impedance & Sensitivity: - 4 Ohm, 92 dB/1W/1m
Power handling: - 600 W rms / 4 Ohms, 20 W min.
Frequency response: - 17 Hz - 250 Hz +0/-3dB
Dimensions & Weight: - (23"H x 32"W x 19"D, 138 lbs)
Output levels and distortion: - max. 0.5% 20 Hz to 250 Hz / 1 W, min. 115 dB SPL / 1m at 20 Hz & 2.5%THD
Finishes: - standard genuine lite oak, dark oak

These have Megawoofers from VMPS! Solid Oak Veneer. I am the original owner, no pets, no smoke, no kids.

I'm asking 475.00 + Actual shipping, Local Pickup Preferred, I have original boxes and will ship at your own risk.

These sell for 840 brand new.

I have two available.
- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • AdamRagland
    AdamRagland Posts: 521
    edited March 2008
    i'm very interested. looking to upgraqde my sub from the current one in my sig. quick question. how does this sub stand up to something like svs pb12ultra or the +2?
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited March 2008
    How well will these blend with Polk Lsi15's?
    polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
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    Front projection, 2 channel, car audio... life is good!
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    i'm very interested. looking to upgraqde my sub from the current one in my sig. quick question. how does this sub stand up to something like svs pb12ultra or the +2?

    These are more like a PC Ultra with 2 drivers (old series)

    Id venture to say more accurate as well...

    GREAT subwoofers.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • AdamRagland
    AdamRagland Posts: 521
    edited March 2008
    ooo i wanna pull the trigger so bad. so i need a good amp and a xover?
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    Yep...

    I'll sell you my Xover if you buy one...

    Paradigm X30 -- priced I paid of 110
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    If you want both --

    I'll throw in the Crossover for 1000 for everything! Save ya 60 bucks...

    Thats also 980 bucks off new...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    Just an extra incentive...

    Assuming people will only want one sub, to the first buyer of the first sub... I will let you have my extra passive radiator... :)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    Club Polk SALE!

    Ends Saturday!

    BUY TWO VMPS LARGER SUBS AT 445 A PIECE AND GET A FREE PARADIGM X30!

    BUY ONE VMPS LARGER SUB AT 455 A PIECE AND GET A PARADIGM X30 FOR ONLY 50 additional dollars!

    Local Pick Up preferred...

    To the first buyer, you will receive an extra passive radiator!

    Thanks
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    Guys keep in mind...

    These are very effecient subs, they can be ran off an Adcom GFA-535 and pound you with sound...

    Thats 600 bucks for a sub...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • hoosier21
    hoosier21 Posts: 4,413
    edited March 2008
    Trey

    Check the box size of these, WxLxH, and what is the shipping wt? and your zip code.
    Dodd - Battery Preamp
    Monarchy Audio SE100 Delux - mono power amps
    Sony DVP-NS999ES - SACD player
    ADS 1230 - Polk SDA 2B
    DIY Stereo Subwoofer towers w/(4) 12 drivers each
    Crown K1 - Subwoofer amp
    Outlaw ICBM - crossover
    Beringher BFD - sub eq

    Where is the remote? Where is the $%#$% remote!

    "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us have...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    Box sizes will be roughly...

    25x25x36

    two boxes, one of the base, one for the sub ---

    The one for the sub will weigh approx 135 pounds

    The one for the base will weigh 8-10 pounds

    28025
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • SLOCOOKN
    SLOCOOKN Posts: 704
    edited March 2008
    hoosier21 wrote: »
    Trey

    Check the box size of these, WxLxH, and what is the shipping wt? and your zip code.

    DO IT....JUST DO IT!

    You will in no way be disappointed with this sub! Just make sure you have enough power. I use a Carver TFM 55x. I have the older version of this sub and I LOVE it!

    Good luck, I hope you can swing it!
    :eek: From the bottom it looks like a steep incline, From the top another down hill slope of mine.:mad: But I know the equilibrium's there!:cool: .."Faith No More" :D
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    BBE 482i
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    AudioQuest Crystal 2 spk wire
    Nordost RCA
    SDA 3.1 tl RD0 tweets
    Belkin pf60
    Carver TFM 55x
    Signal Analog 2 RCA
    AudioQuestType 4
    VMPS Original Tall Boy (Mega Woofers soon)
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    I will also deliver these to any Polkfest - thanks
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • hoosier21
    hoosier21 Posts: 4,413
    edited March 2008
    I will also deliver these to any Polkfest - thanks

    How about at Troy's in 2009, I'll pay you then. ;)
    Dodd - Battery Preamp
    Monarchy Audio SE100 Delux - mono power amps
    Sony DVP-NS999ES - SACD player
    ADS 1230 - Polk SDA 2B
    DIY Stereo Subwoofer towers w/(4) 12 drivers each
    Crown K1 - Subwoofer amp
    Outlaw ICBM - crossover
    Beringher BFD - sub eq

    Where is the remote? Where is the $%#$% remote!

    "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us have...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    If you pay for them now Ill take them to any Polkfest you want! :)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    Price Drop -

    400 each!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,150
    edited March 2008
    Trey, the %$#@*&( computer virus gutted your # from my 'pooter. Give me a call when you have a chance. I may take one of these off your hands.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    You will have a very manly subwoofer.

    I will call you tonight.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    Hey Tom,
    What do I have to do to hook you up with 2?

    Talk to me! ;)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • dpowell
    dpowell Posts: 3,068
    edited March 2008
    I could use a good sub (or subs) but I think shipping would be cost prohibitive.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    Where ya live?
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • dpowell
    dpowell Posts: 3,068
    edited March 2008
    San Diego, 92026
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    polkaudio Fully Modded SDA SRS 1.2TLs + Dreadnaught, LSiM706c, 4 X Polk Surrounds + 4 X ATMOS, SVS PB13 Ultra X 2, Pass Labs X1, Marantz 7704, Bob Carver Crimson Beauty 350 Tube Mono Blocks, Carver Sunfire Signature Cinema Grande 400x5, ADCOM GFA 7807, Panasonic UB420, Moon 380D DAC, EPSON Pro Cinema 6050
  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,663
    edited March 2008
    Go to
    http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.p...209747841&item
    They have shipping calculator on their site.
    UPS Estimates
    Ground $132.36
    3 Day select $391.50
    2nd Day Air $545.49
    Next Day by 4:30pm $685.50
    Next Day by Noon $703.75
    is what I got from it.


    engtaz
    engtaz

    I love how music can brighten up a bad day.
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    If you do plan to go the route of shipping...

    Which keep in mind, even if you pay 300 bucks in shipping or so, you are still getting the subs for the price of 1.4 of the subs new.

    I will require 40 dollars extra per speaker to change out the packaging to my packaging. Which is kind of steep, but I refuse to ship them in manufacture packaging.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    One sub is sold to Tom.

    Thanks
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,756
    edited March 2008
    Both subs are sold.

    One to Tom, one on AG

    Thanks
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,150
    edited March 2008
    Hey congrat's Trey! I think I might have sold the PSW1000 already. I'll probably be able to pick it up this weekend.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited March 2008
    Hey Treitz -- I sure you're gonna enjoy your new sub, especially for music. I have the "smaller" version, and it sounds great.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,150
    edited March 2008
    Thanks Early, lookin' forward to it! Yep Trey, the PSW sold so I will be getting this off your grubby little hands this weekend. Whooo-hoo! :D
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~