Best Upgrade in a loooooooong time. And free.

Ricardo
Ricardo Posts: 10,636
edited February 2008 in 2 Channel Audio
from this:

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to this:

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I had plans to do this for some time now, but never thought it would make a difference and had not done it. I was so wrong. Even though the rack was a good feet behind the drivers, splitting it in two and leaving all that area between the speakers free, made a huge improvement oin imaging and holographic presentation.

If you have the possibility of doing this, don't think twice.
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  • mulveling
    mulveling Posts: 505
    edited February 2008
    Good job, the polk sign is much more visible now; big improvement ;)

    Yeah, experimenting with the placement of stuff is the only tweak that makes measurably & subjectively significant changes, and it's free! Careful speakers & seating placement is IME even more effective than moderate acoustic treatments (though it looks like you've got more than a moderate amount of the latter ;)).
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2008
    Looks good. I've been thinking about moving things around so there's less clutter between the speakers also.

    Are those MIT speaker cables?

    Don't forget to update your showcase.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited February 2008
    I had this same experience. +1 on the recommendation.
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  • buton6
    buton6 Posts: 18
    edited February 2008
    If only i had such freedom in my house. I have to put speakers where they look good.
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited February 2008
    Glad you got good results.

    I can't do it, dammit. Got the flatscreen in the middle, along with a bunch of audio gear.
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  • phipiper10
    phipiper10 Posts: 955
    edited February 2008
    I'm with Early - new house required to make this upgrade :(
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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited February 2008
    How many speakers have we seen in this room?!?!
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited February 2008
    I tried mine last night with nothing between (or behind) and it was great! Added a LOT of depth to the soundstage. Well worth the effort. Thanks for the heads up.
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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    edited February 2008
    I did this shortly after I got my last pair of speakers. Didn't notice squat in terms of gains in holography (probably due to the fact that I'm listening to some big ESL hybrids). I did put the VR-2's back briefly in this "new" config and got the holographic thing going on with them too.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited February 2008
    Yashu wrote: »
    How many speakers have we seen in this room?!?!

    Not enough?
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited February 2008
    madmax wrote: »
    I tried mine last night with nothing between (or behind) and it was great! Added a LOT of depth to the soundstage. Well worth the effort. Thanks for the heads up.
    madmax

    Glad to see that someone else also noticed an improvement.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited February 2008
    halo wrote: »
    I did this shortly after I got my last pair of speakers. Didn't notice squat in terms of gains in holography (probably due to the fact that I'm listening to some big ESL hybrids). I did put the VR-2's back briefly in this "new" config and got the holographic thing going on with them too.


    I've found that smaller 2 way speakers have a 100% better imaging. Not saying I won't have a pair of 3 way floorstanders again, but there's some magic in monitors.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited February 2008
    Looks good Ricardo,, did you get some new speaks? I thought that the Thiels were the "final destination" ;)
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  • Deadof_knight
    Deadof_knight Posts: 980
    edited February 2008
    He swaps speakers like a used car dealer swaps cars he tries them all out !

    BY the way looks snazzzy!
    :cool: " He who dies with the most equipment wins Right ? "

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  • fossy
    fossy Posts: 1,378
    edited February 2008
    Hello everyone,

    First timer here.Wonderful forum & so much info contained within.

    Ricardo - very nice system you are running there. I do have a question, if you would be so kind as to humor me, What are the boxes that are in line to the speakers ??
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  • hoosier21
    hoosier21 Posts: 4,411
    edited February 2008
    fossy wrote: »
    Hello everyone,

    First timer here.Wonderful forum & so much info contained within.

    Ricardo - very nice system you are running there. I do have a question, if you would be so kind as to humor me, What are the boxes that are in line to the speakers ??

    MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables

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  • fossy
    fossy Posts: 1,378
    edited February 2008
    thank you
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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited February 2008
    Must be nice to have a dedicated room like that...

    I wish I could spread it out like that ....


    I like the speaks !


    As fo rthe S3 speaker cables...I`m saving to get the S1 cables....how do you like the MIT`s ?
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited February 2008
    CD player looks different ....
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited February 2008
    george daniel wrote: »
    Looks good Ricardo,, did you get some new speaks? I thought that the Thiels were the "final destination" ;)

    Yes; I've said I'm done a few times ;)
    Deadof_knight wrote: »
    He swaps speakers like a used car dealer swaps cars he tries them all out !

    BY the way looks snazzzy!

    Thanks Russ; how are my babies? Haven't heard from you in a while.
    beardog03 wrote: »

    As fo rthe S3 speaker cables...I`m saving to get the S1 cables....how do you like the MIT`s ?

    I am very happy with the S3's; initially it was HORRIBLE; went from harsh to dull, back to harsh, had no life; after a week or so (as directed by our resident MIT expert) it was like someone clicked a switch; bass has more authority, mids are sweet and highs are very accurate and pleasant. I am very happy (Of course I am making all this up, since cables don't do squat).
    wizzy wrote: »
    CD player looks different ....

    Yes; does not happen frequently, but I have made a few changes between pic 1 and 2.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited February 2008
    Yep, I did that years ago. Makes a huge improvement in presentation when there is nothing at the tweeter or midrange height in between the speakers. Many years ago I did the whole entertainment center thing with the speakers on each side, etc. When i changed things around it was dramatic.

    H9
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