Thinking of buying RTA 11T

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  • aud10n3wb13
    aud10n3wb13 Posts: 84
    edited February 2008
    By the way guys, does the sound in 11T match Paradigm Monitor 7 floor stander or are the 11Ts sound better? I don't want to borrow another speaker for testing because I might accidentally drop it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
  • aud10n3wb13
    aud10n3wb13 Posts: 84
    edited February 2008
    ben62670 wrote: »
    The clunking was probably the PR bottoming out. You got it right with movies small, and music large.

    Just would like to know that PR bottoming out is nothing to worry about as compared to an active driver bottoming out. Am I correct?

    Here is the settings I found to be really good

    music:
    FRONTS->LARGE
    SUB OUT->FRONT+SWFR(BOTH)

    movies:
    FRONTS->SMALL
    SUB OUT->SWFR


    In music, I found out that when sub is just set to SWFR, I was missing a lot of thump maybe in the higher 50hz when there are drums being played. Hopefully I am right with the term thump. Or maybe it's called punch. With SUB set to BOTH, I can quite feel the punch in the concrete floor at 13ft from them. BUT when it's just set to SWFR, there is bass but not as punchy as the former I mentioned. Honestly, I'm really amazed. I will make a decision today. So I guess, I don't need to borrow another floor stander since I am really happy with the 11Ts.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,754
    edited February 2008
    PR's don't bottom out, the drivers can. Turn it down or get a better amp.
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  • aud10n3wb13
    aud10n3wb13 Posts: 84
    edited February 2008
    F1nut wrote: »
    PR's don't bottom out, the drivers can. Turn it down or get a better amp.

    Oh, Ben told me that my PR could be bottoming out. So looks like my Yamaha RXV1400 which is 110w/channel is not capable enough to drive 'em. If I get extra money, I'm leaning towards the adcom. Or maybe, I can take out the bridge mode from my QSC 2402 amp, and assign 1 channel to both of them. But don't know if I will be missing some power from my sub if I just give it 1200watts as compared to the 2400w bridgemode.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,754
    edited February 2008
    The PR is a passive device, it's driven by sound waves from the active mid-drivers. The mid-drivers will bottom out long before the PR.
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited February 2008
    i agree. it's the 6.5" drivers that are bottoming out or distorting...
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  • aud10n3wb13
    aud10n3wb13 Posts: 84
    edited February 2008
    Great. I will just stick with this setup then. My Yamaha's crossover is at 80hz. I think I should try 100hz, 120hz.

    music:
    FRONTS->LARGE
    SUB OUT->FRONT+SWFR(BOTH)

    movies:
    FRONTS->SMALL
    SUB OUT->SWFR
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2008
    A high current amp will control your woofers better.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
  • aud10n3wb13
    aud10n3wb13 Posts: 84
    edited February 2008
    Since I'm just beginning to learn audio, someone told me on avs that my sub has to be on a dedicated 15amp or 20amp line. Should I put another 15amp dedicated for the future amp for these floor standers?

    I wasn't aware that continuous enough power will help with driving speakers. Right now, the amp for the sub shares the line from other components. :(
  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited February 2008
    you can, but it's not needed unless your breaker keeps tripping..
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,754
    edited February 2008
    If you're filtering out below 80Hz and the mid-drivers are bottoming out, you are playing it way too loud, really need a better amp or both.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited February 2008
    A popping noise is the speaker over excursion. A knocking sound (kinda like wood) is the PR's over excursion. Durning long bass on the same frequency around the Fs of the PR can cause a PR to bottom out. I've done it via movies, and sine wave testing. I have never done it during music.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited February 2008
    Face wrote: »
    A high current amp will control your woofers better.

    Very true.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • aud10n3wb13
    aud10n3wb13 Posts: 84
    edited February 2008
    Can I use my QSC amp just for kicks? It's 1200w/channel :) Can I just connect the PreOut from my yamaha to my QSC amp? I want to compare how Diana Krall will sound.

    And am I correct that my Yamaha's volume should not really be loud at all but I will control the loudness on my QSC amp(gain knob)?
  • MillerLiteScott
    MillerLiteScott Posts: 2,561
    edited February 2008
    Settle Down Francis. You CAN hook them up to your QSC. If you do, do not turn it up to loud because you will then be looking at damaged speakers. Pro amps are meant for a different application.
    I like speakers that are bigger than a small refrigerator but smaller than a big refrigerator:D
  • aud10n3wb13
    aud10n3wb13 Posts: 84
    edited February 2008
    Settle Down Francis. You CAN hook them up to your QSC. If you do, do not turn it up to loud because you will then be looking at damaged speakers. Pro amps are meant for a different application.

    Ok. I tried it via the PreOuts from my Yamaha. What I noticed was that the sound is weaker. I had to increase the volume in Yamaha from -14db to -10db while the gain on the QSC is at 28 to match the speaker that was not hooked up to the QSC. The volume wasn't really loud at all as compared when it was directly hooked up to the yamaha. I tried A/Bing then zeroing the gain knob on QSC. However, I really don't notice any difference in the sound.
  • RayChuang
    RayChuang Posts: 16
    edited February 2008
    I just plugged back in a pair of Polk RTA-11t's my brother gave me and they sound really good, mostly because you don't need that much power to get decent sound quality. :)

    Now, I'm thinking about putting a stone slab about 5/8" to 3/4" think under the speakers to see if I can reduce the "booming" I'm getting from these speakers (I think the stone slab will stop the transmission of bass of the speaker to the floor).
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2008
    The slab may help.

    Are they close to the wall at all?
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  • aud10n3wb13
    aud10n3wb13 Posts: 84
    edited February 2008
    Here is an update folks! I am now the new and PROUD owner of the RTA 11T that I borrowed from store last time. Next thing I'll do is purchase RDO194 but need to save money first. :p

    Man, I listen to it everyday. :D hehehe. I also bought Diana Krall Live in Paris, OMG, the sound was phenomenal.
  • aud10n3wb13
    aud10n3wb13 Posts: 84
    edited February 2008
    Quick question folks. How does triangle or cymbals sound in RDO194?

    Thanks.
  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited February 2008
    Are your tweeters sounding bright or harsh? If not then you don't need the rd0194's. If they are and you're low on cash, I'll send you a free cap to try on one of them so you can do a side by side comparison.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,754
    edited February 2008
    Quick question folks. How does triangle or cymbals sound in RDO194?

    Thanks.

    Better than they do on the SL2000's.




    Yeah, add a cap that cuts out all frequencies above 12kHz is great advice. :rolleyes:
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited February 2008
    Feel free to send him a free demo rd0194 so he can compare all 3 options.

    1. sl2000
    2. sl2000wc
    3. rd0194
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,754
    edited February 2008
    Your sl2000wc is not an option, it's a disaster.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2008
    Feel free to send him a free demo rd0194 so he can compare all 3 options.

    1. sl2000
    2. sl2000wc
    3. rd0194
    Give it up already.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited February 2008
    I'd love to hear your opinion after you've tried it.
  • xpecoach
    xpecoach Posts: 4
    edited February 2008
    I bought my Polk RTA 11T's new in 1990. I've gone through 4 different pairs of speakers since 1990 and sold them all except the RTA 11's. I'm using a Rotel 1090 power amp. which is really overkill for the very efficient 11's, and a Classe' Audio 5 pre-amp. and Arcam CD 23 player. I love the music that the Polks put out. The $750. that I paid for the 11's in 1990 is still the best bang for the buck.
  • Marty913
    Marty913 Posts: 760
    edited February 2008
    Are your tweeters sounding bright or harsh? If not then you don't need the rd0194's. If they are and you're low on cash, I'll send you a free cap to try on one of them so you can do a side by side comparison.

    If we're going to continue to beat this horse, I'm calling the ASPCA.
    Sony 60'' SXRD 1080p
    Amp = Carver AV-705THX 5-Channel
    Processor = NAD T747
    Panasonic BD35 Blu-Ray
    Main = SDA-1C Studio with RD0s, spikes, XO rebuild, rings, I/C upgrade
    Center=Polk CS10, Surround = Athena Dipoles, Sub= Boston 12HO
    Music/Video Streaming = Netgear NEO550
    TT = Audio Technica
  • aud10n3wb13
    aud10n3wb13 Posts: 84
    edited February 2008
    Are your tweeters sounding bright or harsh? If not then you don't need the rd0194's. If they are and you're low on cash, I'll send you a free cap to try on one of them so you can do a side by side comparison.

    Yes, there are times that it irritate my ears. I listened to Sandi Patti again today and there was a part where her voice was so high. I couldn't stand it.
    F1nut wrote:
    Better than they do on the SL2000's.

    Thanks. I'm hoping that the sound can be close to the smoothness of Krell when I heard it on one of the HT rooms at ABT Electronics.

    I'll keep you guys posted in a month since I had so many expense lately. :)
  • kniowsk1
    kniowsk1 Posts: 33
    edited February 2010