Dude . . . I heard my first Maggies . . . the MMGs

SolidSqual
SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
edited October 2008 in Speakers
Ok, I heard my first Maggies and now I am questioning everything I have ever known about speakers.

Who told me once you go flat you never go back?

Uhh . . . does anyone think the 1.6QRs could outperform my AZAs? I'm thinking of selling them and buying a pair and using the extra proceeds from the sale to buy two dual subs.

Am I completely irrational right now?
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited January 2008
    Come on, I need some moral support.
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited January 2008
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Am I completely irrational right now?

    Yes.;)

    I'd suggest going to a local dealer, if possible, and listening to the 1.6QRs a couple of times, then decide. But don't be too hasty. Dual subs bring with them another set of complications.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited January 2008
    Ok scratch the subs for now. I need the Maggies to sound good with Keb Mo, Diana Krall, Tool, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Dave Mathews and Patricia Barber. The MMGs sounded amazing, but they were not broken in yet. How are the 1.6QRs with bass? The AZAs have plenty for me.
  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited January 2008
    Muuuuhaaaahaaa! Another convert to the dark side, you will be assimilated :cool:

    Seriously, I have loved the sound of the Magnepan's since the late '70's. I remember the first time I heard Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here on the Magnepan Tympani's. About 3 years ago I had a religious experience listening to DSOTM on the 20.1R's. If you like the sound characteristics the Magnepan's offer, then they are a great value, especially the 1.6QR's. I'm setting here listening to a variety of CD's on mine tonight, and loving every second of it!
    DKG999
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    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited January 2008
    The 1.6's have a surprising amount of bass, and hit 40hz pretty strongly. I run my sub at pretty low gain, just trying to fill in the lower octaves with a little low end thump.

    When it comes to hard rock, it's not the Magnepan's forte. However, Black Sabbath or Led Zep at low to mid volume, with that detailed and huge soundstage, can be rather eerie and amazing.
    DKG999
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    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited January 2008
    Doesn't Dorokusai have some Maggies? I think he listens to Tool. Yo, Mark you out there?
  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited January 2008
    There is one dealer in Indy. I am going to call to setup an appointment.
  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited January 2008
    Would it be rude for me to bring my AZAs to the demo?
  • hoosier21
    hoosier21 Posts: 4,413
    edited January 2008
    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13803&highlight=magnepan

    I loved the MMGs, I went up to the 1.6 and then the 3.5, some of the best sounding speakers I have ever had in the house.
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited January 2008
    We have similar music tastes, and Tool is my favorite band. Before you pull the trigger on anything, go and demo the Gallos. Tool is insane on these, as is Dave Mathews.
    Venom
  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited January 2008
    venomclan wrote: »
    We have similar music tastes, and Tool is my favorite band. Before you pull the trigger on anything, go and demo the Gallos. Tool is insane on these, as is Dave Mathews.
    Venom

    Yeah you are right I should, but I am afraid the Gallos might not be able to create the soundstage of the Maggies. I realize the Gallos and the AZAs are different speakers, but they are of the same breed in terms of using drivers . . . I looked towards the Maggies because they are an extreme change.
  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited January 2008
    I wanna hear Maggies! Wah! (insert temper tantrum here)
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited January 2008
    You know what else is funny. I hate speakers that don't look like speakers. I love the way speakers invade a room and just look like they will blow the windows out and shred the walls. However, the Maggies have no imposing presence at all. They look like acoustic treatments in a way and just seem to blend in. Not my cup of tea normally, but once I heard them, I couldn't help but admire and appreciate their simplicity.
  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited January 2008
    I listened to some Maggies up at Mark's (Doro) a couple of years ago. I can't remember which one's they were since he has had several go through his rig. I was very impressed. I do remember a couple of things though:

    1) They were not limited to the "sweet spot" to sound good as some have stated. I was sitting on the couch on the side of the room facing 90ºs from the speakers and I was supprised how good they sounded at that location.

    2) Sub required. They sounded good until we added the big SVS cylinder to the mix...then they were great. They really need that extra low end presence.

    Maggies are just another speaker option among many (albiet a good option). I have thought of trying some Martin Logans as well. I have only heard them as demos in a couple of shops, but have always been impressed with what I heard.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited January 2008
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Doesn't Dorokusai have some Maggies? I think he listens to Tool. Yo, Mark you out there?

    I sold mine but Tool on the 3 series is no problem. I believe a subwoofer really fills in that lost octave so to me, it would be neccesary....to others, perhaps not.
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited January 2008
    what i remember most about Mark's set up was the sub was on, but you had no idea it was on. how many times did we hear "hey, is that sub on?"

    with the sub blended so well, that rig sounded fantastic.
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited January 2008
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Yeah you are right I should, but I am afraid the Gallos might not be able to create the soundstage of the Maggies. I realize the Gallos and the AZAs are different speakers, but they are of the same breed in terms of using drivers . . . I looked towards the Maggies because they are an extreme change.

    Perhaps, and I cannot comment as I have not heard the Maggies, but I have noticed that a lot of Maggie owners have jumped to the Gallos on other boards. As far as soundstage, that is the Gallos strong point. The Gallos are invisible. Spooky like. If the Maggies fit the bill for ya than I say go for them. But I think the Gallos may fit your tastes also. Demo, Demo, Demo.
    Venom
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited January 2008
    When I first heard the 1.6's, I was quite impressed. Then after listening multiple times, I began to prefer the box speaker. IMO, the Maggies sounded like I was listening to music in a concert hall. Some people like it, some don't. Plus, the sheer size of the Maggies would be too imposing for my room.

    So I agree with Venom -- take a test drive. Do the demo with extended listening with your music, ideally with the 1.6's in your room on your equipment.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited January 2008
    Lots of very good speakers out there! The goal should be to listen to as many types, brands, and approaches to music reproduction as possible. With a strong secondary market via the internet, you don't have to buy speakers to live with for life! I try to find speakers that I would like to listen to for about 5 yrs, then I'll look for the next thing I want to try. The Magnepans, for me and what I like, are pretty close to ideal at this point in my audio journey.
    DKG999
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    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
  • KG Audio
    KG Audio Posts: 79
    edited October 2008
    Sorry to dig up an old thread but I did some searching and couldn't find any answer that satisfied me.

    I know the Maggie MMGs are very power hungry for the 4ohm loads.

    Does anyone have any experience with the following amps driving these bargain bad boys?

    - PS Audio Trio A-100
    - Parasound A23

    Are these powerful enough to do some damage?

    Thanks,

    KG
  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited October 2008
    I've owned both the amps and driven heavier loads with them than the MMGs. Parasound Halo A23 would be a better match.
  • KG Audio
    KG Audio Posts: 79
    edited October 2008
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    I've owned both the amps and driven heavier loads with them than the MMGs. Parasound Halo A23 would be a better match.

    Maggie 1.6s by any chance...or would the A21 be necessary for those?

    Thanks for the response.

    KG
  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited October 2008
    You'd be fine with the A23 IMO, but those speakers would always benefit from the extra power and headroom. You're talking to the wrong guy about minimum power. I have four monoblocks powering my speakers. If you can afford it, more power is always better, but the A23 will make those speakers sing. Two A23s would make them a force to be reckoned with.
  • KG Audio
    KG Audio Posts: 79
    edited October 2008
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    You'd be fine with the A23 IMO, but those speakers would always benefit from the extra power and headroom. You're talking to the wrong guy about minimum power. I have four monoblocks powering my speakers. If you can afford it, more power is always better, but the A23 will make those speakers sing. Two A23s would make them a force to be reckoned with.

    2 A23s for the MMGs or the 1.6s? With the offer that Magnepan has, I'm sure everyone goes in saying I will just buy the MMGs and not worry about the trade-in offer. Nine months later, everyone probably starts thinking...hmm...I wonder what those 1.6s sound like?

    If you said 2 A23s for the MMGs...were you thinking bridging or monos? I don't think you can run the A23s mono with a 4ohm load.

    As always...thanks for the response.

    KG
  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited October 2008
    I'm talking about the 1.6s. The 1.6s can be vertically or horizonatally biamped by the A23s. I would recommend vertically biamping them. The amps would still be running in stereo.
  • KG Audio
    KG Audio Posts: 79
    edited October 2008
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    I'm talking about the 1.6s. The 1.6s can be vertically or horizonatally biamped by the A23s. I would recommend vertically biamping them. The amps would still be running in stereo.

    I meant biamped or mono in my response. :rolleyes:

    Now I see what you meant.

    What are you running these days? You seem to go through speakers like addicts go through drugs.

    KG
  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited October 2008
    Well actually I've kept my Emmys for a while now. But, yes I have tried other speakers along the way, but never sold the Emmys.
  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    edited October 2008
    The last amp you'll ever need:

    Sanders

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  • KG Audio
    KG Audio Posts: 79
    edited October 2008
    halo wrote: »
    The last amp you'll ever need:

    Sanders

    ESL20monoamp.jpg

    I would think this is the last amp I would ever need. :confused:

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    or 2 of those!!! :rolleyes:

    KG
  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited October 2008
    The sanders amps are better.