Bluray vs. HD DVD Summary...
yoeddy1
Posts: 4
I hate to say it, but I think the story of Tron is what's to come for HD DVD in 08.
Post edited by yoeddy1 on
Comments
-
Watch out everyone...
Someone over at Blueray.com opened the barn door.:rolleyes:
In all seriousness, there are currently at least 3 open threads about the news. -
Watch out everyone...
Someone over at Blueray.com opened the barn door.:rolleyes:
In all seriousness, there are currently at least 3 open threads about the news.
this is an important topic if you are a wannabe videophile. HD DVD and Blu Ray finally brought high def audio to movies. and now we're faced with one format losing out already.
Blu Ray is still to expensive. The Blu Ray extra features profiles still haven't been integrated in their own players. So if you have or buy a Blu Ray player now. it will be obsolete in playing the PIP and extra features that profiles 2.0 will be able to play. and their players are at least a hundred or more bucks than HD DVD.
Either way.. I was going to go with an HD DVD player this week. now i'm on hold for at least 6 months.PolkFest 2012, who's going>?
Vancouver, Canada Sept 30th, 2012 - Madonna concert :cheesygrin: -
Understood DB, but do we need to open more useless threads from all the cheerleaders?
-
Blue Ray
-
Did I say Blue Ray? HD DVD
-
I think everyone is getting a little goofy over this news. It's like saying that BECAUSE the Patriots went 16-0, they WILL win the Superbowl. I'll wait til the results are ACTUALLY in, thanks!I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
-
I think everyone is getting a little goofy over this news. It's like saying that BECAUSE the Patriots went 16-0, they WILL win the Superbowl. I'll wait til the results are ACTUALLY in, thanks!
pretty safe bet they will. Who can stop them?Dan
My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time. -
danger boy wrote: »The Blu Ray extra features profiles still haven't been integrated in their own players. So if you have or buy a Blu Ray player now. it will be obsolete in playing the PIP and extra features that profiles 2.0 will be able to play.
Just a clarification. The vast majority of blu-ray players out there (2 million or so just in the US) can do PIP (PS3 is profile 1.1 (Bonus View) compliant via firmware update, could get 2.0 the same way). And the Panasonic DMP-BD30 (dedicated players are around half a million) is available now and is also 1.1 compliant. There are already blu-ray movies that are starting to ship with 1.1 features.
Profile 2.0 (BD-Live) is for web enabled features and really doesn't have anything to do with AQ and PQ on the disk. I realise some people may be interested in this, but it's probably the least important feature for people who just want stellar movie quality.
The Panny is expensive, but they were giving them away for free with discounted Panny plasmas at best buy. If there was no format war, I'm sure more people would have jumped at deals like these. The slow uptake of both formats during Christmas probably played into Warner's decision to go blu. No war means less price wars for early adopters, but possibly a more healthy mass adoption phase for the winning format overall. -
-
*this article is from 2005, so some references may appear outdated by now. but the techy side is interesting.
Well, as far as HD DVD vs. Blu-ray goes, it looks like we've pretty much passed the point of no return now; with each passing day it seems less and less likely that a compromise will be reached on a next-gen format. The ongoing peace talks between the two camps, which have been on-again, off-again for months now, seem to have finally dissolved. It's disappointing, but however you feel about the fact that the HD DVD and Blu-ray factions squandered countless chances to make it right and come together, it looks like in just a few short months they're going to be duking it out mano a mano right in our livingrooms. There may not be a lot we can do to fight back - apart from refusing to adopt either format out of sheer spite of their pigheadedness - but no matter what we might as well at least arm ourselves with the knowledge necessary to understand the nature of the situation at hand.
Here's the background:
Philips's development of the Laserdisc in 1969 yielded many of the technologies Sony carried over and adopted when they partnered with Philips to create a little something called the CD way back in '79. Both companies were hard at work together once again in the early 1990s on a new high-density disc called the MultiMedia Compact Disc (MMCD-original name, guys), but their format was eventually more or less abandoned in favor of Toshiba's competing Super Density Disc (SD), which had the vast majority of backers at the time, such as Hitachi, Matsushita (Panasonic), Mitsubishi, Pioneer, Thomson, and Time Warner.
The two factions cut a deal, brokered by IBM president Lou Gerstner, on a new format: DVD. Toshiba wound up on top after the dust settled in 1995/1996, and Sony and Philips, who weren't cut in on the standard (and royalties) nearly as much as they'd have liked, immediately started work on a next gen system. The Professional Disc for DATA (aka PDD or ProDATA), which was based on an optical disc system Sony had already been developing in the side, would eventually become the Blu-ray disc. Toshiba, not to be outdone by the pair, also started work on a next gen system, the Advanced Optical Disc, which eventually evolved into the HD DVD. After thirty-five years of optical audio/video disc development we're back where we were years ago: two money-grubbing factions fighting each other and threatening to wreak havoc on the consumer electronics industry. Apparently history really does repeat itself.
So here's the technical nitty gritty before we drop the graphs n' charts on ya. Both systems use the same kind of 405nm wavelength blue-violet laser, but their optics differ in two ways. Since the Blu-ray disc has a tighter track pitch (the single thread of data that spirals from the inside of the disc all the way out—think grooves on a 12-inch vinyl single vs. an Elvis Costello full-length album), it can hold more pits (those microscopic 0s and 1s) on the same size disc as HD DVD even with a laser of the same wavelength.
The differing track pitch of the Blu-ray disc makes its pickup apertures differ, however—0.65 for HD DVD vs. 0.85 for Blu-ray—thus also making the two pickups technically incompatible despite using lasers of the same type. HD DVD discs also have a different surface layer (the clear plastic layer on the surface of the data—what you get fingerprints and scratches on) from Blu-ray discs. HD DVD use a 0.6 mm-thick surface layer, the same as DVD, while Blu-ray has a much smaller 0.1mm layer to help enable the laser to focus with that 0.85 aperture.
Herein lies the issues associated with the higher cost of Blu-ray discs. This thinner surface layer is what makes the discs cost more; because Blu-ray discs do not share the same surface layer thickness of DVDs, costly production facilities must be modified or replaced in order to produce the discs. A special hard coating must also be applied to Blu-ray discs, so their surface is sufficiently resilient enough to protect the data a mere 0.1mm beneath—this also drives the cost up. The added benefit of keeping the data layer closer to the surface, however, is more room for extra layers.
Still with us? No? Blu-ray discs are more expensive, but hold more data—there, that's all.PolkFest 2012, who's going>?
Vancouver, Canada Sept 30th, 2012 - Madonna concert :cheesygrin: -
I'll keep my XA2...best upconverting player on the market! Plus it's not like my HD movies will stop working. I'll just get a Blu player if and when the cards fall where they will. I WON'T get a Blu player until EVERYONE is onboard, and it's a done deal.THE SYSTEM
Polk Audio LSi25 Mains
Polk LSiF/X Surrounds
Polk Audio LSiC Center
Definitive Technology PowerField 1800 Subwoofer
Parasound Classic 7100 Pre/Pro
Parasound 2205A Amplifier
Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD Blu-ray Player
Monster HTS 2600
Microsoft XBox 360
Samsung PN64D550 64" Plasma -
The Jun Horde:p
Is that a Beastmaster reference? I haven't heard that in a while.
Venom -
I'll keep my XA2...best upconverting player on the market! Plus it's not like my HD movies will stop working. I'll just get a Blu player if and when the cards fall where they will. I WON'T get a Blu player until EVERYONE is onboard, and it's a done deal.
I have an A2 that is a good upconverter, not the best on the market, but these are my thoughts exactly.Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden -
Korean rugby team. :rolleyes:
jk Venom...It was in reference to The Beastmaster. Juns vs. Pates. Just my lame sense of humor...Carry on.
Dream match. How about those Hawk Men from Flash Gordon vs. The DMV?
On second thought I don't think Hezbolla can handle the DMV.
Venom -
Bluray vs HD-DVD summary.
This was the replacement for standard definition optical disc's that was plagued with problems it never overcame before being replaced by ___________!
A consumer war was set in place from the get go by 2 past powerhouse companies that now make toilet paper, but were once large gaming console manufacturers.
By the time the war had been settled in which the consumer lost out on, then the resulting inability to finalize anything while keeping costs high as a result of not finalizing, ______________ was developed and is now the consumer media solution of choice for movies. -
You can say what you want about the price, but money walks and it doesn't seem to be an issue any longer. People are buying into blu-ray more than hd dvd. Period. Gimmicks won't help.
-
you should check out hd-dvd.com's forums. Talk about a bunch of fanboys. Imo it's great to see the war over. I don't care which side wins, as long as the war is over. Now, after three years, I can say I'm ready to move past simple DVD.
(edit) I've been reading the newswires and from what I gather, Universal is exclusive to HD-DVD - However, they are NOT in an exclusive contract like Paramount. Paramount is under contract until FEb. 2009, and like BlueLight said earlier, given the present circumstances they could probably get out of it much earlier.
My guess is Universal will make an announcement this week or at 2008 CES that they are going neutral. Then, it will truly be over.
-
You can say what you want about the price, but money walks and it doesn't seem to be an issue any longer. People are buying into blu-ray more than hd dvd. Period. Gimmicks won't help.
Not being a fan boy of either, your so dead wrong.
Price is a BIG ISSUE
Misinformation is also and issue.
BD included PS3 sales. While PS3 maybe linked to BD, it isn't HDM per say.
Look at ebay, hoards of BD stand alones, 10's of thousands over the last month. People are profiting from BD, not buying to keep.
Buy a player with X free movies, places like isoldit buy the players and re-sell them. Movies then get listed as the profits made.
Now at Christmas time, what was BD and HD-DVD take????
People bought regular SD players with up conversion, why??
Price and mis leading information can be directly aimed at it!!!
HDM will now fail at a faster rate than it would have if HD-DVD had taken over. Hell HD-DVD itself made HDM a bigger success than it would have if BD was the only one. Pushed prices down, out it in the hands of the lessor affordable society and pushed finished specs. You could actually says, without the war, HDM wouldn't have survived. -
Not being a fan boy of either, your so dead wrong.
Price is a BIG ISSUE
Misinformation is also and issue.
BD included PS3 sales. While PS3 maybe linked to BD, it isn't HDM per say.
Look at ebay, hoards of BD stand alones, 10's of thousands over the last month. People are profiting from BD, not buying to keep.
Buy a player with X free movies, places like isoldit buy the players and re-sell them. Movies then get listed as the profits made.
Now at Christmas time, what was BD and HD-DVD take????
People bought regular SD players with up conversion, why??
Price and mis leading information can be directly aimed at it!!!
HDM will now fail at a faster rate than it would have if HD-DVD had taken over. Hell HD-DVD itself made HDM a bigger success than it would have if BD was the only one. Pushed prices down, out it in the hands of the lessor affordable society and pushed finished specs. You could actually says, without the war, HDM wouldn't have survived.
I don't disagree with you that the format war has helped push prices down. And I don't disagree that both sides are making profits from this. I was merely stating that just because BD players are more expensive than hd-dvd players it hasn't impeded software sales. Which is in blu-rays favor. I do not believe HDM will fail. We are still in the very early stages of HDM. You will see a gain in market share of HDM after 2009. In 2009 when broadcast(both air and cable) standards make the switch to digital. It will give people more of a reason to buy an HD set. On that new HD set people will want HDM. -
danger boy wrote: »Blu Ray is still to expensive. The Blu Ray extra features profiles still haven't been integrated in their own players. So if you have or buy a Blu Ray player now. it will be obsolete in playing the PIP and extra features that profiles 2.0 will be able to play. and their players are at least a hundred or more bucks than HD DVD.
I don't know, DB.
After watching "Resident Evil: Extinction" last night, we went to the "Special Features" and turned on "PIP" to see what the heck it was.
Started the movie back up, and a little popup showed up at the bottom right of the screen. Main screen had the movie, the PIP showed the film crew filming the scene, with commentary.
Pretty cool, don't know as I'll use it much, but it is there.
Played it on our PS3.
I think we've download two firmware downloads since we bought it.
Sal Palooza -
The only ones that seem to know what the PS3 can and can't do seem to be us owners.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
-
mrbigbluelight wrote: »I don't know, DB.
After watching "Resident Evil: Extinction" last night, we went to the "Special Features" and turned on "PIP" to see what the heck it was.
Started the movie back up, and a little popup showed up at the bottom right of the screen. Main screen had the movie, the PIP showed the film crew filming the scene, with commentary.
Pretty cool, don't know as I'll use it much, but it is there.
Played it on our PS3.
I think we've download two firmware downloads since we bought it.
yes, but i don't want a PS3, no analog audio outputs.. and i need my daily analog audio fix
I'm really looking for a stand alone Blu ray player. not a PS3, even though, as far as BLu Ray's go. i hear the PS3 is the best out right now.PolkFest 2012, who's going>?
Vancouver, Canada Sept 30th, 2012 - Madonna concert :cheesygrin:
