Ortofon Throws Down The Gauntlet
DarqueKnight
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In an uncharacteristically brash press release and product brochure, Ortofon has announced the availability of its latest flagship moving coil cartridge, the MC Windfeld.
Ortofon MC Windfeld-This better be phenomenally wonderful.
From the press release:
"Ortofons 75-year-old engineer Per Windfeld falls into the category of true hi-fi visionaries. His massive contribution has been a feature of the development of cartridges all over the world ever since he emerged in the mid-1970s as head of development for the famous MC 20 cartridge, which became the modern successor of the SPU model. The last 30 years have seen an incredible number of successes. This is why Ortofon is now paying tribute to Per Windfeld with a newly developed, state-of-the-art, moving coil cartridge in the absolute high-end class.
In terms of design technology, the Ortofon MC Windfeld is of course based on many of the most important innovations and patents that Per Windfeld secured for Ortofon in the course of his work stretching back more than 30 years.
Ortofon is a company that is built on ingenious innovations, proud traditions and incredible volumes of accumulated, precision knowledge of transducer technology. The foundations were built by the company Fonofilm Industri A/S, founded in 1918, which won international success and acclaim by synchronizing sound and pictures in the film industry.
Nowadays Ortofon produces not only the best cartridges in the world, but also microscopic precision parts for industrial measuring instruments and tools that no one else in the world is able to compete with. You only gain the position as market leader when you base your business on know-how and precision knowledge rather than the voodoo and wishful thinking that characterizes the high-end brands of others in the industry."
I don't know...maybe there has been a recent management change at Ortofon. Maybe the young lions have taken over. Whatever is driving this hubris, I, and other Ortofon cultists the world over, can't wait until the Windfeld starts making the rounds with the audio reviewers who are lying in wait. It will be interesting to see how the Windfeld delivers on its high performance promise as "the world's best cartridge". When you accuse others in the industry of "voodoo and wishful thinking", you better have some strong medicine to back up such claims. Previously, Ortofon was very quiet and conservative in their product literature. In the US, their marketing has been borderline reclusive.
The Windfeld won't be available in the US until February 2008. I can't imagine that I would be able to obtain a Windfeld for anything close to a reasonable price at any of the stateside dealers. The hype factor is too high. Fortunately, modern communications technology offers some options.:)
Soon to be retired? My Ortofon Jubilee has been outstanding in every respect.
I have thoroughly enjoyed the performance of my Ortofon Jubilee, as I did the Kontrapunkt B and Kontrapunkt C before it. An email reply from Ortofon explained that the Windfeld is not an incremental upgrade over the Jubilee..."it is in a class above the Jubilee":
"The Windfeld is definitely in a class above the Jubilee. Despite the Jubilees excellent reputation, the MC Windfeld represents a no expense spared approach to best-in-class sound reproduction. The MC Windfeld is actually named in honor of Ortofons recently retired chief engineer, Per Windfeld, who was responsible for all Ortofon cartridges from the 70s to current and this cartridge represents the culmination of his research and technical knowledge.
It should also be mentioned that the Windfeld features the Ortofon Replicant 100 diamond, a stylus profile totally unique to Ortofon and known for having extremely high tracking ability. It has only ever appeared on our very top range cartridges, including the former MC-5000."
Time, and careful listening, will tell.
***Edit 06/06/2008***
Time, and careful listening, did tell. My review of the MC Windfeld is here.
See...? More and more you are getting sucked into the seductive, glossy black, dark side of analog playback.
Ortofon MC Windfeld-This better be phenomenally wonderful.
From the press release:
"Ortofons 75-year-old engineer Per Windfeld falls into the category of true hi-fi visionaries. His massive contribution has been a feature of the development of cartridges all over the world ever since he emerged in the mid-1970s as head of development for the famous MC 20 cartridge, which became the modern successor of the SPU model. The last 30 years have seen an incredible number of successes. This is why Ortofon is now paying tribute to Per Windfeld with a newly developed, state-of-the-art, moving coil cartridge in the absolute high-end class.
In terms of design technology, the Ortofon MC Windfeld is of course based on many of the most important innovations and patents that Per Windfeld secured for Ortofon in the course of his work stretching back more than 30 years.
Ortofon is a company that is built on ingenious innovations, proud traditions and incredible volumes of accumulated, precision knowledge of transducer technology. The foundations were built by the company Fonofilm Industri A/S, founded in 1918, which won international success and acclaim by synchronizing sound and pictures in the film industry.
Nowadays Ortofon produces not only the best cartridges in the world, but also microscopic precision parts for industrial measuring instruments and tools that no one else in the world is able to compete with. You only gain the position as market leader when you base your business on know-how and precision knowledge rather than the voodoo and wishful thinking that characterizes the high-end brands of others in the industry."
I don't know...maybe there has been a recent management change at Ortofon. Maybe the young lions have taken over. Whatever is driving this hubris, I, and other Ortofon cultists the world over, can't wait until the Windfeld starts making the rounds with the audio reviewers who are lying in wait. It will be interesting to see how the Windfeld delivers on its high performance promise as "the world's best cartridge". When you accuse others in the industry of "voodoo and wishful thinking", you better have some strong medicine to back up such claims. Previously, Ortofon was very quiet and conservative in their product literature. In the US, their marketing has been borderline reclusive.
The Windfeld won't be available in the US until February 2008. I can't imagine that I would be able to obtain a Windfeld for anything close to a reasonable price at any of the stateside dealers. The hype factor is too high. Fortunately, modern communications technology offers some options.:)
Soon to be retired? My Ortofon Jubilee has been outstanding in every respect.
I have thoroughly enjoyed the performance of my Ortofon Jubilee, as I did the Kontrapunkt B and Kontrapunkt C before it. An email reply from Ortofon explained that the Windfeld is not an incremental upgrade over the Jubilee..."it is in a class above the Jubilee":
"The Windfeld is definitely in a class above the Jubilee. Despite the Jubilees excellent reputation, the MC Windfeld represents a no expense spared approach to best-in-class sound reproduction. The MC Windfeld is actually named in honor of Ortofons recently retired chief engineer, Per Windfeld, who was responsible for all Ortofon cartridges from the 70s to current and this cartridge represents the culmination of his research and technical knowledge.
It should also be mentioned that the Windfeld features the Ortofon Replicant 100 diamond, a stylus profile totally unique to Ortofon and known for having extremely high tracking ability. It has only ever appeared on our very top range cartridges, including the former MC-5000."
Time, and careful listening, will tell.
***Edit 06/06/2008***
Time, and careful listening, did tell. My review of the MC Windfeld is here.
See...? More and more you are getting sucked into the seductive, glossy black, dark side of analog playback. Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
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Cool! I wonder how much in $$. Vinyl is on a comeback. You can only fool people with shiny silvery things for awhile.
madmaxVinyl, the final frontier...
Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want...
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could there be a licorice pizza store in your town soon?????
who would of ever thunk it.
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Cool! I wonder how much in $$.
Needle Doctor has it listed for $3,400.
http://www.needledoctor.com/Ortofon-Ortofon-MC-Windfeld-Low-Output-Moving-Coil-Cartridge?sc=2&category=378Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 * -
Not a bad price if its all they say it is. I don't see a trade-up policy listed though. That sucks.
madmaxVinyl, the final frontier...
Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... -
I always wondered about these high priced carts and needles... like... I remember having to replace the needle in my cart back in the day all the time. These expensive carts look like the kind that have the needle hardwired in, and I can't imagine spending $3400 on something that is going to wear out sooner, rather than later.
It's not like replacing a tube, belt, or something... maybe I am missing something. -
All it takes is having the means and desire. The source component sets the limit for signal resolution. A better turntable/phono cartridge retrieves more information from the record with less noise and distortion compared to less expensive ones. Vinyl can be a deep, dark rabbit hole and it is up to the buyer to determine their spending limit and balance their purchases to their associated gear.
With proper care and record cleaning, cartridges can last thousands of hours. The stylus/cantilever is not really hard wired in. It is mounted in a suspension system with the rear of the cantilever inside the cartridge pick up where the mechanical vibrations are turned into electrical energy. Some manufacturers offer discounts with a trade in/trade up policy on their cartridges, or discount for competitor brand trade ins. Soundsmith has a retipping/replace cantilever service wth prices from $150-$900, depending on stylus type.Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 * -
madmax wrote:Not a bad price if its all they say it is. I don't see a trade-up policy listed though. That sucks.
madmax
A few bucks more than I plan on spending. Then again I don't have that much in my entire rig."Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
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I know one guy that'll buy 5 of them........Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I know one guy that'll buy 5 of them........:D:D
Hey, don't make me scan my receipts...Jay
SDA 2BTL * Musical Fidelity A5cr amp * Oppo BDP-93 * Modded Adcom GDA-600 DAC * Rythmik F8 (x2)
Micro Seiki DQ-50 * Hagerman Cornet 2 Phono * A hodgepodge of cabling * Belkin PF60
Preamp rotation: Krell KSL (SCompRacer recapped) * Manley Shrimp * PS Audio 5.0 -
Soundsmith has a retipping/replace cantilever service wth prices from $150-$900, depending on stylus
This is what I meant by hardwired. If you cannot replace the needle yourself. Thousands of hours... I am not sure I buy that as a long enough time to justify this. I have had some nice carts back in the day, but I remember having to replace the needle as often as one would have to replace a tube that was left on 24/7, or a lightbulb. If you do a lot of listening to vinyl, the needle is going to wear out sooner rather than later. I guess if you can afford a $3400 "lightbulb", then it doesn't matter anyway, but I do wish more makers would build in user replaceable needles.
I am sure it sounds pretty awesome during the time that you get to use it.
I realize that many of these are hand-wound and are as much works of art as technology. I just have a hard time spending that much money on something that is the first part of a 'table that is going to wear out. I will have to dig out my TT sometime and get back into it. -
"2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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I guess if you can afford a $3400 "lightbulb", then it doesn't matter anyway, but I do wish more makers would build in user replaceable needles.
The design of moving coil cartridges does not allow user replaceable needles as the stylus cantilever suspension and coil assemblies are, by neccessity, an integrated unit in the structure of the cartridge. Moving magnet designs can allow for user replaceable needles since the stylus cantilever and suspension can be designed as a removable modular unit separate from the internal pickup coils.
Sometimes, with moving coil cartridges, the rubber cantilever suspension wears out before the diamond and some manufacturers lifetime rating is more for the cantilever suspension than for the diamond.
Stylus (needle) lifetime ratings are typically conservative estimates based on a person who uses "average" care with record and stylus cleaning. If someone is meticulous (or fanatical) about record and stylus cleaning and does not over stress the cantilever suspension with high tracking forces, then the stylus and suspension can last many times over the manufacturer's rating. Some people use an inappropriate tonearm and cartrige combination that requires the use of high tracking forces to compensate for the mismatch. This decreases cartridge suspension and needle life.
I don't know what the stylus lifetime rating is for the Windfeld. The Jubilee is rated for 2000 hours with "normal" record and stylus care.
Assuming the Windfeld also has a stylus lifetime of 2000 hours, then the cost per hour of use, at a purchase price of the full MSRP, is $3400/2000 = $1.70.
Needledoctor.com offers a 10% discount off the Windfeld's MSRP. In this case, the cost per hour of use is $3060/2000 = $1.53.
Most people in the US, who have some consideration for their wallet, will obtain the Windfeld from a reputable dealer in Hong Kong or Germany, where the discounts are 35% or more. In that case, assuming a 35% discount, the cost per hour of use is $2210/2000 = $1.11.
As you can see, the aqcuisition cost of the Windfeld is high, but the per hour cost of under $2.00 is much less than many other forms of entertainment (e.g. movies, shots of liquor, stripper lap dances, etc.)
Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
One thing that I don't understand is the needle wearing out. How is this possible? The only way you can even scratch a diamond is with another diamond. How could vinyl possibly "wear out" a diamond stylus??2 Channel rig:
LSi9"s (modified xover's) & HSU Sub
Harman Kardon HK 990 Amp
Onkyo C-S5VL SACD
Music Hall MMF 5.1
Furman Elite 15
HT rig:
HK AVR-745 & Polk Monitor Series -
It seems paradoxical doesn't it?
Consider that a diamond is just carbon, highly compressed carbon, but carbon nevertheless. As such, diamond has a high resistance to being scratched, but diamond is not very strong structurally and is subject to wear caused by heat and friction. Diamonds are very hard, but they will burn like other carbon based constructs and they can easily be shattered by impact (when struck with tools or even dropped).
A phonograph record groove slides past a phonograph needle at an approximate speed of 20 inches per second. Some heat is generated by the friction between the record groove and the needle. Consider the heat generated by the friction of rubbing your hands together for less than a minute. Now consider the heat that would be generated in your hands if you were rubbing them together at a speed of 20 inches per second for a few hours at a time (as in an extended listening session).
The vinyl polymers used in phonograph records are "softer" than diamond, but are stucturally much more resistant to contact wear caused by heat and friction. That is why a diamond needle wears out after a period of time and phonograph records, with proper care, last forever.
Using a needle material with an equal or greater resistance to wear than the record would have the undesirable effect of causing the record to wear rather than the needle. Most of us would rather replace our needles or cartridges rather than our precious records...some of which are irreplaceable.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
Diamond does wear down, as does the suspension of the needle itself.
Think of a smooth rock in a river... it took millions of years, but water did that. The needle wears slowly, but I have noticed that several other things take place to compound this. The actual needle rod will begin to wear from the downforce, and what happens in the needle itself gets rotated slightly and rounds off the edges that are going to extract the most detail. It also can wear your vinyl down. Also, the suspension of the needle rod will get more and more loose as time goes on, causing a similar action.
It is why I spent $200 dollars on my last cart when I had the TT hooked up and not $4,500. It really is a matter of how much you are willing to spend on each listen, like DK said. I used to listen so often that $1.50 per session would have killed me. CDs have their problems, but they don't have the mechanical wear issues at least, or not nearly the same level. TTs have the cart/needle, the belts, bearings, constant tweaking to maintain proper tracking, then you have the physical media wearing out with each play... being scraped by a diamond needle. It is both endearing of the format (music that you have to work to enjoy, and the tactile feel of it all), but also a pain in the ****.
