The CJ/Krell show down on hold...

pearsall001
pearsall001 Posts: 5,092
edited December 2007 in 2 Channel Audio
Why you ask??? Because I did one hugh dumb **** thing...I toasted the left side of the amp. Yeah go ahead & laugh you rotten ****!

I accidentely had the amp positioned where the speaker banana plugs crossed paths. A slight "pop" sound & the left speaker went silent. Not good I tell ya!! The external fuses are ok & I haven't taken a peep inside yet. I called Krell & they said to send it in for a look. Rather than do that I called my good audio dealer Stephen Monte at Quest for Sound. He told me to bring it in on Friday. Not to worry he says, probably a minor fix, hopefully. I just hope it doesn't require too much repair.

So the CJ/Krell preamp head to head will be scheduled for a later date. Laugh on!!!! :D
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited December 2007
    I'll see you Friday!





































































    Ya dumb ****!!!!
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,195
    edited December 2007
    Now damn. THAT sucks!

    What showdown?
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  • rskarvan
    rskarvan Posts: 2,374
    edited December 2007
    I'm surprised the banana plugs weren't welded together with the 1KVA of power that the amp supplied!
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited December 2007
    Sorry to hear that. I dream of accidentaly doing this...scary.
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,511
    edited December 2007
    Sad news!:( I'll bet you will take steps to never repeat this welding experiment.
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  • John in MA
    John in MA Posts: 1,010
    edited December 2007
    rskarvan wrote: »
    I'm surprised the banana plugs weren't welded together with the 1KVA of power that the amp supplied!

    What's the rail voltage of this thing, probably around 90V? I think that comes out to around 10 amps, not much welding power.
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,605
    edited December 2007
    Auuuuuuuuuuugh! The horror!
    I hope it isn't too bad.
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  • screename
    screename Posts: 321
    edited December 2007
    I'd be driving that thing to Krell.
    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=Magnolia,+NJ&daddr=Orange,+CT,+United+States+of+America&sll=41.27942,-73.0264&sspn=0.205244,0.144196&ie=UTF8&z=9&om=1
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited December 2007
    Been there. Done that.:o
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited December 2007
    screename wrote: »
    I'd be driving that thing to Krell.
    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=Magnolia,+NJ&daddr=Orange,+CT,+United+States+of+America&sll=41.27942,-73.0264&sspn=0.205244,0.144196&ie=UTF8&z=9&om=1

    Long, very long drive!
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  • screename
    screename Posts: 321
    edited December 2007
    This is a long drive:

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=midpines,+United+States&daddr=santa+monica,+ca&sll=36.184442,-119.308777&sspn=3.562117,2.351074&ie=UTF8&ll=35.779943,-119.179687&spn=3.580412,2.351074&z=9&om=1
    Home to LA To get stuff worked on. Going this weekend as a matter a fact.

    I feel for you on the mishap. I was once bi-amping my SRS with a pair of M508;'s and blew the right channel out of both of them, 850 bucks later they were all better again. Painful lesson, and a long drive.

    Good luck with yours.
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited December 2007
    Oh yeah Phil, I forgot to mention, Krell does not advise bananas to touch each other while the amp is on. It is frowned upon.:(

    Don't worry, you should be rockin again soon. Keep us posted.

    If it makes you feel better, I once blew out the drivers on some B&W's because my preamp was set to Large....only second to when I learned not to change I/C's and speaker cables while in use with my old Onkyo receiver...
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited December 2007
    Whenever I have to change interconnects or speaker cables, I wait 10 minutes after turning everything off. This after one time I removed an IC after a couple minutes, and I heard a radio station through the speakers. My fingers in contact with the RCA served as an antenna :eek::eek:

    I'm sure there are other ways to discharge those caps....but better safe than sorry.
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  • AndyGwis
    AndyGwis Posts: 3,655
    edited December 2007
    I've pulled out ICs with the amp still on a couple times, but no real harm seemed to come of it.

    Once, I tried to do some LED replacement work on an amp. I must have hooked it up backwards internally, cuz as soon as I turned it on, there was a pop and the breaker in my apt went out.

    All I needed to do was flip a switch on my breaker box and get a new fuse for that mishap. . . lucky again.

    Sorry to hear you didn't make it out of your mishap unscathed. I'm sure you'll be back up and running soon.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited December 2007
    Phil,

    Have you even looked inside?? Someone here must of had a Krell. Are there no internal fuses protecting the PCB? If so you may of blown one of these. Anyway your not an audio nut till you dicked your gear.........hope your up and running real quick.

    Ted
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited December 2007
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    Phil,
    Have you even looked inside?? Someone here must of had a Krell. Are there no internal fuses protecting the PCB? If so you may of blown one of these. Anyway your not an audio nut till you dicked your gear.........hope your up and running real quick.
    Ted

    I would like to state for the record to Phil and everyone that I DID NOT "DICK" THIS AMP! I thought about it....:)
    Venom
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited December 2007
    I'm going to take a look inside when I get to Phil's tomorrow. He's a little timid about popping the top!
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,664
    edited December 2007
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    I'll see you Friday!





































































    Ya dumb ****!!!!

    Too funny. LOL
    Sorry to hear.

    engtaz
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,092
    edited December 2007
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    Phil,

    Have you even looked inside?? Someone here must of had a Krell. Are there no internal fuses protecting the PCB? If so you may of blown one of these. Anyway your not an audio nut till you dicked your gear.........hope your up and running real quick.

    Ted

    Ted,

    I wanted to pop the top but I don't have any star wrenches. I tried all my allen's but none of them fit.

    Joe's bringing his set tomorrow...if he can find them :confused:

    Then we're headed up to Quest for Sound to show Stephen his record clamp & for him to take a look at the Krell.

    Phil
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,195
    edited December 2007
    AndyGwis wrote: »
    I've pulled out ICs with the amp still on a couple times, but no real harm seemed to come of it.
    You sir are crazy. Even though you are dealing with 12v....one slip and.......
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,903
    edited December 2007
    any word on the amp yet?
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited December 2007
    Picking it up next Saturday.
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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    edited December 2007
    When I demod gear @ deciBel audio in Chicago they kept yanking & re-connecting interconnects while everything was powered up.
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,092
    edited December 2007
    Well I just got off the phone with Stephen Monte of Quest for Sound. It looks like I really did a number on the Krell due to my stupidity. Pretty extensive repairs coming my way so the amp won't be ready for another week.

    Stephen talked to Krell & he said that he has to get the parts from them, there are no after market replacements. The parts are all Krell items with no chance of getting them except from them.

    Bottom line, Stephen's saving me a bundle by him doing the repairs. It's well worth the wait.

    Looks like the CJ/Krell preamp shoot out is put off for another week!!!!
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited December 2007
    I am offended because you are delaying my chance to win an aftermarket power cord.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited December 2007
    Rotflmao!!
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited December 2007
    That would have never happened with a tube amp... :)

    Actually, I'm pretty surprised the problem is allowed to go unprotected by krell. You should be able to short those without causing damage. Hope it all turns out ok.
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,903
    edited December 2007
    my usher r-1.5 amp also has no protection for shorting cable terminals but the connectors on the amp lock in bananas and put a vise grip on spades, maybe it's a sound quality thing.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited December 2007
    You should have your credentials revoked for 6 months. I'm with Ted. If you haven't blown something up in your travels, you're not that hardcore.

    I blew up a tube amp while setting bias on the last of 8 tubes. I was told later that I may....MAY have been drinking at the time. Not only did the amp need to be repaired but I had to buy a whole new octet since they were original tubes. Oh well, lesson learned.

    I never swap IC's while gear is powered on, ever.
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  • rskarvan
    rskarvan Posts: 2,374
    edited December 2007
    pearsall001 wrote: »
    Well I just got off the phone with Stephen Monte of Quest for Sound. It looks like I really did a number on the Krell due to my stupidity. Pretty extensive repairs coming my way so the amp won't be ready for another week.

    Stephen talked to Krell & he said that he has to get the parts from them, there are no after market replacements. The parts are all Krell items with no chance of getting them except from them.

    Bottom line, Stephen's saving me a bundle by him doing the repairs. It's well worth the wait.

    Looks like the CJ/Krell preamp shoot out is put off for another week!!!!


    Yeppers... Krell worked with Motorola to design and build custom (very fast transient response) output transisitors. Its not a standard item.
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