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rskarvan
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I learned yesterday that a UAW guy at the factory is a registered sex offender. I did a search at the Sheriff's website and he is a "convicted child molester".
Here is the question for you all. How do you go about working with a guy like that when the thought of him with an innocent kid makes you incredibly angry?
Thankfully, I don't have to work too closely with him. I guess giving him the cold shoulder and ignoring him entirely is pretty much all I can do.
Why do they ever let these predators out of prison? They can't possibly do enough to right THAT wrong.
Here is the question for you all. How do you go about working with a guy like that when the thought of him with an innocent kid makes you incredibly angry?
Thankfully, I don't have to work too closely with him. I guess giving him the cold shoulder and ignoring him entirely is pretty much all I can do.
Why do they ever let these predators out of prison? They can't possibly do enough to right THAT wrong.
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I would have a very hard time with it as well, but you can't let this person have a direct impact on you or your family. (as it would by you quitting or getting fired)
I know it is difficult, but go in to work, do your job and go home. You don't have to be this guys friend or mentor. There is nothing you can (or should) do other than make sure your flustration with this person is not acted on at work and not taken out on anyone once you get home.
If it bothers you to the point you cannot perform your job, talk to HR and ask to be moved or relocated and explain why.
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That's a tough one. I guess you can look at this way;
- He has a job
- He is earning money
- His employer, the police, and most people around him are aware of his status. (At least I hope they do)
If you saw the USA today piece on Monday, there are many offenders that have no home or no job which in my opinion, makes them more of a risk to repeat the crime than the guy that had the courage to face life and what it will throw at him for the rest of his life.
As the article stated, they are the modern day Lepers of their OWN doing. I certainly dont feel sorry for them as they will be paying the price the rest of their lives if they choose to try to fit back into society. I would say just keep your distance if you are not comfortable with him and be thankful that you only work with him, and dont live next to him. -
Let me first off say that I am in NO way defending this cat. That said, are you sure it wasn't just a case of an 18 year old that scromped a 17 year old and the parents found out, scarring his reputation forever?
It may not be the case, but I feel you should not judge folks until you know all the facts. No, this did not happen to me but I know two people this happened to. They get the same type of reaction as you are suggesting and it's a shame because in one cat's instance, 2 months made the difference between shame and 2 people having sex legally [which they had been doing (without the parents consent) for years anyway]. He just happened to piss off the parents and now he has to face a lifetime of registering and ridicule.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
The guy was 34 when he was convicted.
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Shot that idea to ****. Egg his house and feather him. Spit in his coffee every chance you get and put peanut butter under his door car handle on a daily basis after you throw the dead fish through the window. Torture him any way you see fit [legally, of course]. He is scum.
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Have to some what go along with treitz on this one.Who knows....the guy might have given his kid a bare **** spanking in public and the PC police caught up to him.HT SYSTEM-
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Yeah, you have to be careful, they slap that sex offender label on people for a lot of things. He may be a scumbag, but he may have also been caught drunk peeing in public or something else minor. DOn't judge someone until you have all the facts.
Hopefully if he's out of jail and has a job he didn't do anything serious.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
bobman1235 wrote: »Yeah, you have to be careful, they slap that sex offender label on people for a lot of things. He may be a scumbag, but he may have also been caught drunk peeing in public or something else minor.
If they can slap a sex offender tag on someone for that, then this country really is sick. I'm all for making child molesters pay but it seems to be the case that that sex offender label can be had for something very innocent. -
Shot that idea to ****. Egg his house and feather him. Spit in his coffee every chance you get and put peanut butter under his door car handle on a daily basis after you throw the dead fish through the window. Torture him any way you see fit [legally, of course]. He is scum.
No kidding on the thread title.....Grrrr! :mad:
As much as you would love to do these things....you better be careful...he doesnt have a whole helluvalot to lose and would just as soon crack your skull open if he caught you in the act at his residence and get you fired at work if your antics were caught on video ( By now there is almost no workplace that doesnt have video monitoring ) ....no matter how weak, you dont want to piss off a cornered animal.
You either leave him the hell alone ( With ALL eyes on him of course ...make sure all know the situation ) ....or take him out permanently ( Not condoning that...but if it was my child there would be no other way ) ...anything in between is only going to get yourself in trouble you dont need.bobman1235 wrote: »Yeah, you have to be careful, they slap that sex offender label on people for a lot of things. He may be a scumbag, but he may have also been caught drunk peeing in public or something else minor. DOn't judge someone until you have all the facts.
Hopefully if he's out of jail and has a job he didn't do anything serious.
Damn....I better stop peeing in public :eek:The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club -
S.O.N., I was only kidding. I was the one to first say that you shouldn't judge without knowing all the facts. If you do know the facts, hire a teenage prankster who will most likely do it for free or just don't get caught.
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S.O.N., I was only kidding. I was the one to first say that you shouldn't judge without knowing all the facts. If you do know the facts, hire a teenage prankster who will most likely do it for free or just don't get caught.
Just didnt want to see anybody get fired or worse in this video everything society we are in now.
Speaking of video...this one fits right in with the Grrrr thread theme.....as much as I respect police officers and the job they have to do....this kind of **** has to stop http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fae_1195587967&c=1#comments they are getting too free with the tasers...if that had been my father or wife or child and I was the passenger and witnessed that he would have been a dead man . The biggest Grrr I have seen in some time...wasnt even anybody I know and it still got to me.The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club -
If they can slap a sex offender tag on someone for that, then this country really is sick. I'm all for making child molesters pay but it seems to be the case that that sex offender label can be had for something very innocent.
That's indecent exposure, and I don't know that a conviction on that would make someone a sex offender.
However, I do agree with the overall point. There's a big difference between child molestation and say a 21 year old and a 17 year old. Neither are right, but they're 2 different sorts of wrong, you know?
I personally don't think sexual predators can be rehabbed, but that's just me....
That always can lead to an argument, one that ends if you ask them if they'd be okay with one living next door to them and their family.
For the record, I'm for ignoring it. What McLoki said makes most sense here. Saying something will make you look like a trouble maker and quitting would be letting him/her affect you.
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Don't taze me man!
I'm sure that cop got in a lot of trouble for that. THink about the millions of cops out there who are responsible; we only hear about those kinds of things when one does something stupid like that, what, once a year? Totally agree that it is outta line, but I'm sure it doesn't happen as often as it seems.Demiurge wrote:That's indecent exposure, and I don't know that a conviction on that would make someone a sex offender.
I've heard somewhere that you can get the sex offender tag slapped on you for indecent exposure if it's someplace where a child could have seen you. Which... is basically any public place? I'm sure I could be wrong, and it probably vaires by jurisdiction.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
Wow, that cop is a jackass....I mean, the guy is dumb for arguing, but if he doesn't have an priors, let the guy go and fill out the appropriate paperwork.
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The guy did have his hand in his pocket. "Possibly to pull out a handgun", "according to the cop". Just to throw it out there. Still, for a speeding ticket?
It will be interesting how this plays out. Maybe Wingnut will chime in.....
From both sides of the fence, middle of desert with no backup....only a speeding ticket?... and disrupting the duties of a police officer.......
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The cop just seemed like he was wanting a confrontation with the guy. He had already checked him out and according to the guy he didn't have any type of a record. So he didnt' want to sign the ticket...don't think he can force him to do it. I have had such an experince myself driving a completey drunk friend of mine home at 3 AM. Got pulled over and boy oh boy did he think he had me dead to rights for a DUI. When he made me do his dog and pony show (4 different field sobriety tests) and a a breathalyzer in front of 1 other squad car and a police SUV K-9 unit, he got all bent out of shape when I blew a 0.0 on it in front of his buddies.
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bobman1235 wrote: »Don't taze me man!
I'm sure that cop got in a lot of trouble for that. THink about the millions of cops out there who are responsible; we only hear about those kinds of things when one does something stupid like that, what, once a year? Totally agree that it is outta line, but I'm sure it doesn't happen as often as it seems.
Its more like once a week now....on that video site they are coming in at an obsene rate. I emailed the link to both my uncle and cousin who are in the PD...be interesting to see their replies.
Heres one from 6 days ago....guy died from the tasing....totaly non violent with the police as well... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=936_1195094875The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club -
Kid got everything he deserved. Shut the F up and do what you are told. Not sure why he thought he was going to be in charge of the situation. The cop told him 4 times to turnaround. Seemed totally inline to me.
People are crazy you can't trust that the kid didn't have a gun or a knife or wasn't on drugs. As a cop you just can't take that risk. I'm not a cop but you have to have in your mind if something goes wrong it could be a choice between your life and theirs. Kid should be happy he only got a taser.
The cop had to ask at least 2x just for the license and registration. The kid obviously was one of those who likes to do things the hard way and he got what he wanted in this case.
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Glad you're all for vigilante justice........sheesh..........take issue with the person IF they directly breach your comfort level (work/live right next door to you).......but if your comfort level is that 'they' are even living, then you scare me.shadowofnight wrote: »....or take him out permanently ( Not condoning that...but if it was my child there would be no other way ) ...anything in between is only going to get yourself in trouble you dont need.
I'm not excusing what the guy did, but until you know exactly what happened, I'd hold your breath so you don't come off as a complete ****......comment comment comment comment. bitchy. -
shadowofnight wrote: »Its more like once a week now....on that video site they are coming in at an obsene rate. I emailed the link to both my uncle and cousin who are in the PD...be interesting to see their replies.
Heres one from 6 days ago....guy died from the tasing....totaly non violent with the police as well... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=936_1195094875
I watched the video, but without sound.
against the cops, there appeared to be no reason why the 3-4 officers and security could not subdue the man without the use of the tazer.
the Tazer has its uses, and should continue to have its uses, but its one of those tools that the lazy can abuse. "i dont want to exert physical effort, so tazer away."
on the flip side, why was the guy throwing **** around. again, I have no sound here. My approach to life in general is that the ultimate onus in on YOU for your own safety and well being. You have to act in accordance with your surroundings that will make you as safe as possible. We all know post 9/11 that **** at airports are dicey and on edge. If your going to throw **** around, you put yourself in a position where a cop can act wrong and taze your ****. how do you avoid it, DONT THROW ****. dont yell, dont be disruptive.....get in and get out.
This can be applied to many aspects of life.......a rough neighborhood, working with a child molester, etc. In a rough neighborhod, dont draw attention to yourself, keep your eyes open and be safe......you can t depend solely on the cops to protect you, your safety is YOUR responsibility. No one will care more about your well being than YOU.
My vote in the Child Molester situation is dont talk to him, Leave him be, and most likely he will leave you be. Yes, what he did sucks, and yes, if I saw him doing something to a kid I would then act. but if there is no reason to act, there is no reason to put yourself in danger. I'm 6' 340lbs and know how to handle myself, and I still avoid the criminal element and confrontation as much as possible. why take the chance?
There is a disturbing trend leading away from this school of thought. I know I might seem like I am blaming victims. I'm not as much blaming, but perhaps preaching a school of thought of trouble avoidance that less and less people follow. People seem to expect to suffer no ramifications for doing what they please. "I should be able to yell at a cop and have nothing happen" "A beautiful woman should be able to walk naked in a biker bar and nothing should happen to her" In a perfect world this may be true, but we dont live in a perfect world.Living Room 2 Channel -
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I am not defending the guy but you don't know what he did. The list for sexual offenses is pretty big and can cover lots of stuff. Before you pass judgement on the person you should know the circumstances. Heck he could have tried to higher a prostitute and it was a cop. Not that I think that is right but is it something to be registered for? All in the circumstances.
That said I wouldn't let him near my kids or wife but I think that would go without saying.
Here is the list of offenses that can get you on the registered list.
A Sexual Assault Offense Glossary of Terms http://www.hmichaelsteinberg.com/sexoffenseglossary.htm
Date Rape
Indecent Exposure
Lewd and Lascivious
Molest
Obscene
Pander
Pedophilia
Pimp
Pornography
Prostitute
Prostitution
Sex Offender
Sexual Abuse
Sexual Assault
Sexual Harassment
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Glad you're all for vigilante justice........sheesh..........take issue with the person IF they directly breach your comfort level (work/live right next door to you).......but if your comfort level is that 'they' are even living, then you scare me.
I'm not excusing what the guy did, but until you know exactly what happened, I'd hold your breath so you don't come off as a complete ****......
Did you not read what I wrote ? I said leave the guy alone PERIOD...with ONE exception....if it had been MY kid there would be no other option for me but to take him out. Comprehend a little more before spewing crap.The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club -
Anyone know the guidelines for using tasers by law enforcement? I honestly think that they're a great tool for our officers to use, but it does seem they are beginning to be used perhaps a little too liberally.Lovin that music year after year.
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The scary thing is (and like others I am not necessarily sticking up for the guy) in todays society all that has to be done is someone say you did something if they are a minor. Then you go to court, and you will be threatened with a severe jail sentence. That causes many to take a guilty plea instead of a long term sentence even if you are innocent. Being a parent of 2 girls, and knowing many victims of sexual crimes if the guy is without a doubt guilty I would have a hard time not bashing in his head never mind having any respect for the guy.Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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They are everywhere. We have one three houses away. The guy kept exposing himself from his living room window to the little girl next door. The parents called the cops at least six times on this guy but really nothing could be done.
One day he was out mowing his lawn and I went over to him, just me and him, no witnesses, and I told him if he ever went near my ten year old, looked out him sidesways or exposed himself to him that I would rip his jewels out by the roots no matter what the consequences. That was in the beginning of the summer and we haven't had any problems with this guy in this neighborhood since then. Sometime you have to get medieval with criminals and lower yourself to their level.
Ron you are in a tough situation but having distain for someone and acting out on it will loose you your job not his. Be careful. -
A lot of the time the department push it's use. It's non-lethal force that reduces the chance of physical harm to the Officer and the perp.Anyone know the guidelines for using tasers by law enforcement? I honestly think that they're a great tool for our officers to use, but it does seem they are beginning to be used perhaps a little too liberally."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
hearingimpared wrote: »Sometime you have to get medieval with criminals and lower yourself to their level.
Ron you are in a tough situation but having distain for someone and acting out on it will loose you your job not his. Be careful.
Actually , if its personal and factual...you have to go one step below their level.
Thats why I warned him...they catch you on video and you lose your job...not worth it to **** around at work and risk your paycheck.The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club -
There are web sites out there that give you more info about the sex offenders out there. I don’t have the link here at work but there’s one that gives you basically a Google map and puts a pin on all the locations in your area where they are at. If you have kids, you should be checking the site at least every few months. In your case (RSKARVAN) you find out the exact crime (should be public record) and make sure your family is safely away from him. Like a few others, at least the guy has a job and his location is known but if his crime was serious type, that’s not good enough. But if you look at your map like me, we have about 5 within a 5 mile radius of us, none within a mile. No matter where you go you will have some by you, this is a big time crime and there are a lot of them out there. Don’t forget that even the worst of them (child molesters or Chris Johansson on Dateline NBC) will tell you... There is no cure for what they have and they constantly have to mentally fight their urges. These guys are a serious problem in society and we need to take a lot harder looks at them (which I think is happening). Any hardened crime like child rape/molestation needs to result in an immediate removal from society with no access to any kids for life. The problem is that there’s so many of these guys (and girls) that the cost would just kill us.
I cant disagree with HI’s case at all. I’d be doing everything I can legally to get the guy to leave including picketing his house with my neighbors every night.
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