Was She Worth It !!!

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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,950
    edited November 2007
    Really didn't want this to turn into a him against her thread.More so,the fact that sports figures are paid way too much regardless of talent.Same goes for the company's that can fork over 40 million for endorsments.I am sure MJ's wife deserved every penny,after all,he's no boyscout.Interesting to see how people view this anyway.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited November 2007
    yea, but looks like Mike left room to put in a decent sounding Woodshed/Bomb Shelter/Mann Cave or what have you.

    Jordan was one in a billion I wish him well, its the rest of the I wanna Be Like Mike posers that are gumming up the NBA with there antics including the referre's, too many of them applaud themselves and pound their chest for any little thing or shot they make.
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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited November 2007
    rskarvan wrote: »
    I definitely think that his wife and kids should be cared for. But, I have a serious problem with the divorcing wife getting HALF. MJ was the athlete. MJ earned the money through his own efforts. Marriage is a life-time commitment. Quitting a marriage should not entitle her to HALF. Perhaps HALF should go in a trust for their children. But, HALF should definitely not be in HER control.

    Divorce should not be like hitting the lottery. Divorce is a disgraceful breaking of a solomn oath/contract. People who break contracts should be penalized.

    Perhaps then, the divorce rate may decrease. Obviously, our consumer-oriented matrimony system isn't working well in the USA.
    I can certainly see your points regarding him being the major if not the only breadwinner, but a marriage is a partnership and as a partner she deserves half. Unless there was some form of pre nup aggreement. Would she deserve half if he was the one filing for divorce? Of course if I was the one having to give up half it would leave a pretty bitter taste knowing that the person I wanted to spend the rest of my life with decided to leave me.

    I think that to grant the divorce for either party there would have to be some pretty good evidence that things werent going well and both partys wanted out.

    Perhaps it would be more fair to give 25% to the one filing no matter who is the major bread winner. there the one wanting out. And it might cut down on frivilous divorces and as mentioned gold diggers male and female both.

    If marriage was a permenant thing and a person couldndt get out because it was an abusive relationship that would be a sad thing also.

    Who knows whats right and wrong as far as these things go it would have to be on a case by case basis and I sure wouldndt want to be the judge. :)


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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited November 2007
    This tells me he has a serious problem no matter how much money he has.

    "Jordan also told NBC that he has been open about his appetitite for gambling."

    "In 1993, Jordan went to an Atlantic City casino the night before a playoff game with the New York Knicks. In 2005, Jordan admitted, “I've gotten myself into situations where I would not walk away, and I've pushed the envelope.” A San Diego businessman once claimed to have won $1.25 million from Jordan in golf bets."

    He won't always have these endorsement deals & whatever else gets him a lot of money. When the money stops coming in & he continues to lose if via gambling, he will be in major trouble.

    At least his exwife & kids won't go down the tubes with him.
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited November 2007
    The way he makes money, he won't be in trouble. His current fortune will turn in about 10mil alone a year, without any endorsement deals. If I lost $100-200 a month gambling it'd probably be the same. Who here hasn't lost $50 a night on golf/football bets with friends?

    I'm addicted to poker, do I have a problem? Luckily I'm winning money but am I a sick person? Lots of you here are addicted to upgrading your audio gear, putting your finances into more stress than Jordan is doing by gambling, are were all sick (one way or another). Someone here has an addiction to tell everyone they need at least 200WPC amplifiers... ;)
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  • rskarvan
    rskarvan Posts: 2,374
    edited November 2007
    snow wrote: »
    I think that to grant the divorce for either party there would have to be some pretty good evidence that things werent going well and both partys wanted out.

    REGARDS SNOW

    Unfortunately, almost all states are NO FAULT divorce. This means, that a spouse can divorce strictly for financial gain and freedom. Never-mind the fact that the other spouse only entered the marriage with the mutual understanding that they would be together until death.

    No fault divorce takes the commitment out of the marriage contract. I would go so far as to say that a marriage in the USA generally doesn't really mean all that much because divorces are so very easy to obtain.

    I think that if MJ wanted the divorce, then he should have to pay half. However, if the spouse wants "her freedom" and everything else is just a "cover-up excuse" then she shouldn't benefit financially.

    No fault divorce is generally where JUSTICE and THE LAW diverge. If, in fact, the two were ever united.
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited November 2007
    That's why Prenups were invented... :)
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  • rskarvan
    rskarvan Posts: 2,374
    edited November 2007
    Sami wrote: »
    That's why Prenups were invented... :)

    Its bad enough that lawyers get paid for the breakup. You want to involve them in the marriage union too?
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited November 2007
    rskarvan wrote: »
    Its bad enough that lawyers get paid for the breakup. You want to involve them in the marriage union too?

    You don't need lawyers to do a prenup, and a good one could prevent the need to get lawyers involved in the case of divorce. In Jordan's case it would have been much cheaper anyways, even with lawyers involved.

    In todays world it's foolish not to do a prenup, regardless of monetary status.
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited November 2007
    Jordan is paid, he still has endorsement money, Im sure money left over from playing ball. Not to mention he has a motorcycle racing team with Suzuki.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2007
    He owns part of an NBA Franchise....Nike, Gatorade, Hanes, McDonalds, etc, etc, etc... I bet he's still getting royalties from Space Jam (not much though :rolleyes:). I don't see foodstamps in his future.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,950
    edited November 2007
    rskarvan wrote: »
    Its bad enough that lawyers get paid for the breakup. You want to involve them in the marriage union too?

    When there is that much coin involved......yes!!!
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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited November 2007
    Sami wrote: »
    The way he makes money, he won't be in trouble. His current fortune will turn in about 10mil alone a year, without any endorsement deals. If I lost $100-200 a month gambling it'd probably be the same. Who here hasn't lost $50 a night on golf/football bets with friends?

    I'm addicted to poker, do I have a problem? Luckily I'm winning money but am I a sick person? Lots of you here are addicted to upgrading your audio gear, putting your finances into more stress than Jordan is doing by gambling, are were all sick (one way or another). Someone here has an addiction to tell everyone they need at least 200WPC amplifiers... ;)
    Well I will be the first person to admit I love playing poker but I am not addicted to it. It doesnt control my life. unfortunately laws have been passed no longer allowing gambling online for money in the USA so I dont have the chance to play for real money, but I still play in a lot of tournaments etc for fake chips.

    As far as to what your problem is if any with poker or gambling in general
    is only you can answer that.

    For an addict its a different story it controls there life in pretty much every aspect. Everything they do is based on there addiction, How much time they spend with kids wife etc is all based on there addiction, it comes first. MJ may not ever go broke gambling but if he is a gambling addict his family life will certainly suffer due to it coming first.


    When I said a sick person earlier in a different post that is because for an actual addict it truly is an illness as much a mental as a phyiscal addiction.


    REGARDS SNOW
    Well, I just pulled off the impossible by doing a double-blind comparison all by myself, purely by virtue of the fact that I completely and stupidly forgot what I did last. I guess that getting old does have its advantages after all :D
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited November 2007
    snow wrote: »
    Well I will be the first person to admit I love playing poker but I am not addicted to it. It doesnt control my life. unfortunately laws have been passed no longer allowing gambling online for money in the USA so I dont have the chance to play for real money, but I still play in a lot of tournaments etc for fake chips.

    I still play online for money. It's not illegal, you just can't transfer money from US bank account or credit card but you can still play. I use my accounts in Finland and Mexico to play, and then of course the home games for money which we have quite often. Like said, I'm still on the winning side so no harm done as long as I do my other duties as well. Oh, and my wife likes to play as well. :)
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited November 2007
    snow wrote: »
    Well I will be the first person to admit I love playing poker but I am not addicted to it. It doesnt control my life. unfortunately laws have been passed no longer allowing gambling online for money in the USA so I dont have the chance to play for real money, but I still play in a lot of tournaments etc for fake chips.

    As far as to what your problem is if any with poker or gambling in general
    is only you can answer that.

    For an addict its a different story it controls there life in pretty much every aspect. Everything they do is based on there addiction, How much time they spend with kids wife etc is all based on there addiction, it comes first. MJ may not ever go broke gambling but if he is a gambling addict his family life will certainly suffer due to it coming first.


    When I said a sick person earlier in a different post that is because for an actual addict it truly is an illness as much a mental as a phyiscal addiction.


    REGARDS SNOW

    The mental obsession is what makes it so bad. If you find yourself obsessivly thinking about some all your waking hours that is a big red flag but only a symptom of the real problem.
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