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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited November 2007
    Eh, you know you will anyway. I can feel your curiosity killing you. :p

    Hey, did you ever use the computer to adjust the settings of slope, x-over and all that stuff to see if it improved the bass/mid-bass?
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited November 2007
    Curiosity, always a disease with us isn't it.

    I just bought new crossovers for my JBL pro monitors and it is like I have totally upgraded my speakers. I was curious about crossover modding, and in the process broke the PCB of one of the old ones right in half. I bought new ones sourced directly from JBL, and I guess they managed to fix some of the problems with this tweeter in the last 20 years it has been in service. So, one curious thing leads to another... and another... and another. Sometimes it will lead to something positive that might not be what you were originally looking for, which, is part of what I like about this... discovering new things about music and sound.

    I have a whole host of gadgetry that I have barely any room for... half are the results of curiosity almost more than what I was trying to obtain with the sound.

    Here, you ripped your "new" speakers apart right after you got them... I do that too, I am sure many people here do it. We always have the idea that we can make it "better", even though we may not be electrical engineers, or sound engineers, or understand all the math behind acoustics... but hey, we still think we can make it better. There must be *something* inside those boxes that we can improve, right? I can't stop thinking that when I buy something.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited November 2007
    Yashu wrote: »
    Curiosity, always a disease with us isn't it.
    Yes sir. Always.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited November 2007
    I don't think there is something I think I can improve --

    I just think about age...

    For instance, my 7u's - I honestly, can not improve these speakers anymore. They are perfect - IMO

    Now these, they are decade or so old --

    Tweeter, according to Brian shouldn't even be working...

    So -- when I hear these things, and they sound good. Don't let me tell you they don't. They actually sound very good --

    One of the better sounding speakers I've heard... but they sound like an old pair of speakers.

    I don't know if its the old tweeter or the old capacitors -

    Who knows...

    Now I don't plan to get rid of them, and before I would feel good about using them in a HT setup for surrounds or whatever their future purpose for me may be --

    Knowing that I would have to spend roughly 3-4 grand to get something similar, when I can just spend 2-3 hundred in mods and have something just as good for 3rd/4th the price...

    Definitely...

    As for the Taylos...

    Man, I am running them full range right now, no subs -- these Mono Extremes stepped up the bass performance to a whole new level... its really sick...

    I was ALMOST contemplating selling all the subs and speakers I have and getting the Super Towers --

    But alas, the 7u's just flat out rock, why ruin a good thing!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited November 2007
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    http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1199553444

    $8695 obo. I was thinking of selling my left nut for these. Are these the one's you are talking about?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited November 2007
    FAWK

    Yep, thats the Woodmeres

    I am talking about the Super Towers though ---

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    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited November 2007
    Those were the ones I had my eye on before I got the Taylos 7u's.

    I swear I gotta go down to Kentucky and visit his showroom. I have talked w/ Ty a couple of times the past couple of days and he's as nice as nice can be. Maybe after the first of the year I'll take a road trip. ;)
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited November 2007
    My current wall of sound!!!

    Let me know when you go -

    I would love to check out the facilities Ty has put together, manufacturing, testing, etc etc

    But yeah, the Super Towers have gotta be blow your mind awesome
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited November 2007
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Let me know when you go - I would love to check out the facilities Ty has put together, manufacturing, testing, etc etc
    No problem. I already told him I was coming :eek:, just don't know when. Business schedule dictates. You know, that "life gets in the way" crap. :rolleyes:
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    But yeah, the Super Towers have gotta be blow your mind awesome
    That's what I'm a tinkin'! :D
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited November 2007
    Wouldn't you want to keep the subs for when you move into a bigger place, though [room size and all]?

    I can almost, not quite, but almost envision you hanging the VMPS from the ceiling, pointed down at a 15 degree angle to the sweet spot.

    Just kidding. :p
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited November 2007
    Oh I'm not selling them --- I'm afraid the Super Towers in my small room just wouldnt work...

    And after hearing the 7u in a large room (HOLY ****!!!!!!!)

    Why spend the money when the 7u is a notch or two above holy crap awesome...

    I'll always remember that BB King recording at Ted's in the living room...

    Totally awesome
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited November 2007
    Tom --

    You need to get this whole setup!

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    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited November 2007
    No thanks. I'm a 2 channel guy. ;)
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited November 2007
    I wouldnt mind hearing that Center ---

    When you go to Brad's house...

    Ask him to play just his center channel for you...

    What a kickass speaker and I absolutely hate center channels...

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    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited November 2007
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    My current wall of sound!!!

    Let me know when you go -

    I would love to check out the facilities Ty has put together, manufacturing, testing, etc etc

    But yeah, the Super Towers have gotta be blow your mind awesome

    All I can say is wow.

    I've got to hear your new system sometime soon!
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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited November 2007
    but they sound like an old pair of speakers.

    I know what you mean... but usually drivers don't go bad, it is the crossover parts, namely caps. Replace those caps and it will sound like a new set of speakers.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited November 2007
    Thats the plan --

    I'm pondering more and more about it

    I'm thinking about getting new veneer for it (Walnut) -- new tweets, new capacitors and call it a day

    But I probally wont do the tweeter/cap upgrade until later... probally sometime in mid 2008 -- bit by bit
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited November 2007
    Sweet setup! Gotta check it out someday. How much is that HT set you posted run? Can't afford now, just curious.
    I just finished putting new surrounds on a set of Bose 901's (Zip IT!!:mad:), and turned my old Denon power amps loose on 'em. I need a bigger house. Scads of power in that amp.
    Come on up the road someday.
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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited November 2007
    The Denon(s) probably aren't what is making them sound so "large", it is the Bose that are probably more sensitive, since they are full range drivers and a design that hasn't changes since the 70's... and back then most speakers were well over 90db sensitive. The 901s could fill a room pretty easily.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited November 2007
    True. But I've also been very pleased with what they do for the SDA1's. Even at lower levels, the range is still there. Still playing around with them, and for amps that are 20+ years old, they still deliver when you need that little bit (!) extra. No noticable distortion when they go from a quiet passage into an immediate crecendo.
    Back to you Vr3.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited November 2007
    I think that HT setup --

    I'm going to assume cost upwards of 15,000 or so
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited November 2007
    :eek::eek:
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited November 2007
    Crap. I hate you, Sid.
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    Simple question. If you had a cool million bucks, what would you do with it?
    Wonder WTF happened to the rest of my money.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited November 2007
    The mains in that HT setup are 6 grand...

    The surrounds are 2,300

    The center, I imagine is around 2-2,500

    Subwoofers are around 900 each

    So about 10-12,000 - to lazy to do the math
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited November 2007
    It would be nice if he had that setup in his showroom. That might, and I do mean might get me back into HT.

    Naw, who am I foolin'? ! :eek:
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited November 2007
    I have a GREAT idea toward my future HT setup...

    I'm going to use all 2 ch towers for everything

    I'm thinking VMPS RM30 for surrounds

    Odyssey Lorelies(sp) for the centers, Taylo 7u for the mains

    That way, if I get bored or whatever, I can just rotate my speakers around!

    Its a perfect plan!!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited November 2007
    You're eat up with it, aren't ya!
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited November 2007
    Im CRAZY!

    hahahahhha
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited November 2007
    That's for sure! :D
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • davidc1
    davidc1 Posts: 1
    edited November 2007
    I've had some VMPS Super Towers, the model just above yours, for over 20ys now. Upgraded the speakers and crossovers about 10 yrs ago. You absolutely can't beat them for efficiency (I wanted them to play LOUD) and bass output.

    But they can definatly overwhealm a room. You have to tune the speaker to get the bass right. Does yours have the putty on the passive radiator?

    I"ve found Brian Cheney to be very helpful even though mine are so old.

    I think my cure for the overwealming bass is the Audussy Eq thing in the Denon/Onkyo/Marantz/NAD receivers.

    David
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    I have never heard a speaker that I can't decide whether I like or don't like...

    But they definitely have bass - if nothing else! haha

    More later --

    Anyone have any tips to make these things better?

    Or it could be I really just don't like this Outlaw for music... I'm thinking more so that (I miss my Candela! :()
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