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  • Frank Z
    Frank Z Posts: 5,860
    edited November 2007
    For love of Gawd don't use Jeep and Compass in the same sentence! Does the Term P.o.S. mean anything to ya? There's no comparison because the Compass hasn't been out long enough to compare to anything. Basically an untested mass-market steaming pile brought to you idiots at Daimler-Chrysler.
    Patriot, Liberty, Compass...none of these deserve the Jeep badge.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited November 2007
    Frank Z wrote: »
    For love of Gawd don't use Jeep and Compass in the same sentence! Does the Term P.o.S. mean anything to ya? There's no comparison because the Compass hasn't been out long enough to compare to anything. Basically an untested mass-market steaming pile brought to you idiots at Daimler-Chrysler.
    Patriot, Liberty, Compass...none of these deserve the Jeep badge.
    Amen! My sentiments exactly! Those new 'Jeeps' are TOTALLY out of line with Jeep's heritage.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited November 2007
    Frank Z wrote: »
    For love of Gawd don't use Jeep and Compass in the same sentence! Does the Term P.o.S. mean anything to ya? There's no comparison because the Compass hasn't been out long enough to compare to anything. Basically an untested mass-market steaming pile brought to you idiots at Daimler-Chrysler.
    Patriot, Liberty, Compass...none of these deserve the Jeep badge.

    Interesting. The dealer we went to a while ago said that the Compass can go off-road. The salesman even went on to explain the 4X4 system in the Compass and how you can "lock" the transmission into 4WD mode.

    Guess it's not as off-road capable as the older Jeeps then.
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  • John in MA
    John in MA Posts: 1,010
    edited November 2007
    Let me repeat what everone has said. The Compass is not a "Jeep" if you're looking at anything but the name. It's a compact car based on a platform also used by Dodge, and I just realized it's also the one Mitsubishi uses for several of their small cars. I'd expect the reliability to be a good deal below traditional Honda, Toyota, and Subaru levels. Seriously, if you're looking for a car you don't want a Jeep, and if you're looking for a Jeep you don't want a Compass.

    You can take a Compass off-road in the technical sense, much like you can take any other car off-road. The AWD system used in the Compass is mainly for pavement use. In addition, and I hate to use their silly BS marketing term, the Compass and most Patriot trims are the only Jeep models without the "Trail Rating."

    As far as the Liberty goes, in the past when the WJ, TJ, and XJ(replaced by the Liberty) were the other models in the lineup it was a bad choice. However, considering that only one Jeep model left has SFA the Libby is on par with the other non-Wranglers. I think the new one that shares the Dodge Nitro platform is pretty hideous, though.

    My own personal Jeep off-road ability ratings, stock configuration, highest to lowest:

    1a. Late CJ, YJ, TJ, LJ, JK
    1b. MB, early CJ

    2a. SJ, J-series, M715, etc
    2b. ZJ, XJ, WJ, C10x, MJ

    3. JK, KK, WK, XK

    4. VJ, DJ,

    5. MK
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited November 2007
    Again, thanks for the explanation.

    So something like Grand Cherokee WK would be a better choice for mostly city/some off-road driving, I guess.

    I guess the salesman was also exaggerating about the Compass' abilities.
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  • John in MA
    John in MA Posts: 1,010
    edited November 2007
    What exactly are you looking for? How much off-road driving are we talking about? A Grand will get very poor gas milage as a city vehicle, especially with any of the better engines. Although they're pretty comfortable to be stuck in traffic in.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited November 2007
    John in MA wrote: »
    What exactly are you looking for? How much off-road driving are we talking about? A Grand will get very poor gas milage as a city vehicle, especially with any of the better engines. Although they're pretty comfortable to be stuck in traffic in.

    Well, I'm not looking for a car, but my dad is. Basically something that will be good for going around the city and occasional camping. Also have a few friends that live in pretty rural areas where there is no paved road, mud, snow, etc.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited November 2007
    Forgot to mention -

    When I said "off-road" I meant light off-roading, nothing too serious, our Nissan Maxima handles it fine.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited November 2007
    That's not off roading. Sounds like you could by a used Chevy Lumina, slam it, slap 20's on it and still be just fine.

    It'd be ridiculous to put up with the poorer gas mileage and lesser comforts of a off-road capable Jeep just to disgrace its heritage by driving it on a dirt path.
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  • John in MA
    John in MA Posts: 1,010
    edited November 2007
    Jeep's heritage is already past redemption so I wouldn't worry about that, but a heavy truck is serious overkill for terrain that a Maxima can 'wheel. How about a Rav4 or Forrester?
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  • Barnestormer
    Barnestormer Posts: 27
    edited November 2007
    John in MA wrote: »
    Jeep's heritage is already past redemption so I wouldn't worry about that, but a heavy truck is serious overkill for terrain that a Maxima can 'wheel. How about a Rav4 or Forrester?

    RIGHT ON BROTHER!! I only have one point of difference. The Rubicon is the most capable Jeep out of the show room. But mainly because of the 4:1 low and e-lock lockers. I'm in a 4x4 club here in Houston with about 90 members and we have lots of Rubis in our crowd. I've seen them do amazing stuff with PAPER PLATES. (Some guys buy them on Friday and wheel Saturday!!)

    For what it sounds like, you really don't want a Jeep, but rather just something with AWD maybe??? I dunno.

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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited November 2007
    I guess you guys are right. Something that has AWD will do fine, I guess a Jeep is overkill.

    Rav4/Forrester? What else would you recommend?
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  • Serendipity
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    edited November 2007
    audiobliss wrote: »
    That's not off roading.

    To us city people, this is off road:

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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited November 2007
    :eek:

    That is NOT offroad. The parking lot at school is much worse than that! :D
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  • Serendipity
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    edited November 2007
    audiobliss wrote: »
    :eek:

    That is NOT offroad. The parking lot at school is much worse than that! :D

    Haha, that's off-road to us NYC folk!
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  • Serendipity
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    edited November 2007
    AB - that's kinda like when I visited Trey in NC. Having never been to NC before, it was VERY rural to us, but I guess to you guys it's the other way around...

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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited November 2007
    Someone's gone off-road in his Jeep Cherokee...

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  • Frank Z
    Frank Z Posts: 5,860
    edited November 2007
    appadv wrote: »
    Someone's gone off-road in his Jeep Cherokee...
    We've already lectured the lad about that behavior, and trust me when I tell you that's not Wheelin'. Do a little searching here and you might find a few videos that will explain it in detail.:D

    From this past Saturday...
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  • John in MA
    John in MA Posts: 1,010
    edited November 2007
    This is Grand Cherokee offroading (not mine), although the fellow seems to be getting himself high centered on the diff:

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  • BaggedLancer
    BaggedLancer Posts: 6,371
    edited November 2007
    appadv wrote: »
    Someone's gone off-road in his Jeep Cherokee...

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    That video would have been good had he barreled through the woods. :D

    That reckless driving is daily driving for 90% of the Boston population
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  • Serendipity
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    edited November 2007
    Frank Z wrote: »
    We've already lectured the lad about that behavior, and trust me when I tell you that's not Wheelin'. Do a little searching here and you might find a few videos that will explain it in detail.:D

    You mean audiobliss? That video sure looks scary.
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  • Frank Z
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    edited November 2007
    Yep, that's the guilty bastage.
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  • Frank Z
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    edited November 2007
    appadv wrote: »
    That video sure looks scary.
    I'll send ya couple links...
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  • Serendipity
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    edited November 2007
    Frank Z wrote: »
    I'll send ya couple links...

    Sure, thanks!
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited November 2007
    Oh crap. I guess you're not safe anywhere when it comes to the internet. :o

    Haha, yeah, that was fun. But not 'wheeling'. And not that smart. But did I mention it was fun? I wish I could find someplace to do that some more, practice a little. As you can tell in the video I stink at it.

    Oh well, practice does make perfect, right? :D

    I want some links, too, Frank Z!
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  • Frank Z
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    edited November 2007
    Not till you promise to obey the speed limit for 365 days straight.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited November 2007
    If by speed limit you mean the POSTED speed limit, and not the commonly accepted 5 - 7 over, no way.

    Actually, even if you'd allow for 5 - 7 over...365 days....ha, still nope. I'll just hafta search youtube. :(
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  • Frank Z
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    edited November 2007
    I've only got a couple on Youtube.Try this one on for size....
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4427211857999151151&hl=en

    There's one there from me that's 45 minutes long.
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  • Serendipity
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    edited November 2007
    audiobliss wrote: »
    If by speed limit you mean the POSTED speed limit, and not the commonly accepted 5 - 7 over, no way.

    Actually, even if you'd allow for 5 - 7 over...365 days....ha, still nope. I'll just hafta search youtube. :(

    I didn't even have to search youtube. You posted in Lasareath's page.

    As per the speed limit, it's not that hard to observe the posted speed limit. I've been going 53-55 most of the time and no more than 55.
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  • Serendipity
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    edited November 2007
    audiobliss wrote: »
    Actually, even if you'd allow for 5 - 7 over...365 days....ha, still nope. I'll just hafta search youtube. :(

    Maybe if we allowed for 10 over?
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