Toe-in LSi-15

Dave38
Dave38 Posts: 101
edited November 2007 in Speakers
I'm curious on Toe in. My LSi-15's are 10 feet apart and speakers are 14 feet in listening distance. I have the drivers facing me which means there is some toe-in. What is recommended? Is this too much? Thanks.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2007
    You should place them in the manner that sounds best at your listening position....simple.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,796
    edited November 2007
    Try them firing outside of each ear...

    Like the left speaker should fire to the outside of your left ear... same thing for the right (except for the right ear)

    Also might try about 1/4" of tilt with the spikes --- make the front spikes 1/4" higher than the rear...
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited November 2007
    I got my 15's toed in a little bit, but not directly facing my head. nothing wrong with toe in, but as Doro says, experiment and roll with what sounds best. toe in on the 15's in fine, its toe in on the SDA's that is considered taboo.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited November 2007
    Dave38 wrote: »
    I'm curious on Toe in. My LSi-15's are 10 feet apart and speakers are 14 feet in listening distance. I have the drivers facing me which means there is some toe-in. What is recommended? Is this too much? Thanks.

    Generally toe-in to the point where you have the best stereo seperation, without a "hole" in the middle or poor center image. I've always had good success with about 1.5" of toe-in, as measured from the rear corners of the speaker.
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited November 2007
    slight toe in here - basically pointing at the outside of each ear as Sid suggested...

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,204
    edited November 2007
    The correct setup of your speakers should be equal distance between the speakers as the distance of the listening area. In your case your speakers are 10 feet apart and your sitting is 14. Your toe in is going to less then what you would if your speakers where 14 feet apart.
    1) Sit in the middle of your speakers at your listening position.
    2) Look straight ahead then turn your head towards the left speaker. If you can see the sides of your speaker then you need to toe it in until you only see the front of the speaker.
    3) Repeat setup for right speaker.

    This is the correct position for any floor speakers that are direct firing. Now you can change this according to taste but try this first then go from there.

    I also suggest not having the spikes on while trying to figure out position. You can always use some masking tape to make the speaker position , then install the carpet spikes back on.

    Dan
    Dan
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  • SKsolutions
    SKsolutions Posts: 1,820
    edited November 2007
    I've found that in my room, I don't have to over-toe them (9's). Prior, I had them in a golden triangle config, but I've found that I can gain more stability to the soundstage by bringing them together a bit (8.5' apart), and facing them almost forward. They are far enough away from the sidewalls, so I don't have excessive primary reflection/refraction, and the image gains more credibility. 1" toe in, or 3-5 degrees off perpendicular works best here.
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  • Dave38
    Dave38 Posts: 101
    edited November 2007
    Thanks for the response's guys. That helps.