Definitive Technology BP10B Placement

Serendipity
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edited November 2007 in 2 Channel Audio
Hi,

Was experimenting with the placement of my DefTech BP10Bs, and found that slightly moving the speaker around changed the sound dramatically.

So - for all of you that have owned Definitives, what's the best recommendation for placement? Trey gave me a few tips for starters but now that I'm really into this I'd like more advice.

Thanks in advance!
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited November 2007
    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27888&highlight=placement
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    Thanks, I'll have to read that.

    I find that with the Def Techs there is no 100% good placement - moving the speaker around will yield good results for certain types of music, and then other types of music need different placement.

    What do you think? Problem with bad recordings?
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  • tonyb
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    edited November 2007
    Placement is key with any speaker.I take it the bass is muddy on some recordings?Find a happy medium when it comes to placement and then look elsewhere to solve the other issues.Room reflections,source,Cables,and so on..
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  • Serendipity
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    tonyb wrote: »
    Placement is key with any speaker.I take it the bass is muddy on some recordings?Find a happy medium when it comes to placement and then look elsewhere to solve the other issues.Room reflections,source,Cables,and so on..

    Thanks.

    No, the bass is not muddy on some recordings. It's just that I'll go from listening to a classical piece and LOVE the sound, and then play a DVD and find the dialogue a bit muffled. I'll have to move the speakers. Then go back to playing some rock music and find the speakers are too forward sounding - like they are charging at you, literally. Then move the speakers back to their original position and repeat.
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  • VR3
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    edited November 2007
    This is a simple solution

    Tape off every position for each genre --- label that position
    And when you are listening, move it there

    Bipolar mains will make you go crazy, without a doubt --
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    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    This is a simple solution

    Take off every position for each genre --- label that position
    And when you are listening, move it there

    Bipolar mains will make you go crazy, without a doubt --

    Haha, I'm not so sure that will work well with the WAF.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited November 2007
    I had a typo

    I meant Tape off every position

    But bipolar mains are an enjoyable evil --

    Lots of fun, fun to play around with, but always make you want to tinker

    There is no right or wrong
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    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    I had a typo

    I meant Tape off every position

    But bipolar mains are an enjoyable evil --

    Lots of fun, fun to play around with, but always make you want to tinker

    There is no right or wrong

    During certain songs, if I have the speakers toed in, it sounds like the speakers are ramming at you, full force. So I have them firing to the wall behind my ears instead of directly at them, and this works better for classical music. But no good for movies.

    What do you think the ULTIMATE soluation is?
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  • VR3
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    edited November 2007
    Get a center channel for movies...
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    edited November 2007
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Get a center channel for movies...

    Good idea. But I like the idea of having a 2-channel HT.

    A center channel will set me back $1000 or so. I don't think I can afford that right now.

    Anything else I can try? Cables maybe? I'm just using 16ga. stranded wire.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited November 2007
    Why 1000 dollars?

    A matching center for the BP10B can be had for like 150 bucks...

    CLR1000
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    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Why 1000 dollars?

    A matching center for the BP10B can be had for like 150 bucks...

    CLR1000

    My local DefTech dealer told me that the C/L/R 3000 would be the best matching center to the BP10B's.

    Will have to check out the C/L/R1000.

    In the meantime, do you recommend me changing the cables?
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  • VR3
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    Your local dealer is an idiot....

    The CLR3000 only matches better because it has 6.5" midbasses

    And thats IT

    The CLR1000 is an older model, a passive 6.5" model - no subwoofer... and can be had for 100 or so bucks...

    The CLR2002 would be a smoking match with 5.25" midbasses too ----

    The CLR3000 is only needed if you are running some BP7000 (And even then the CLR1000 would match the Bp7000)
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    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Your local dealer is an idiot....

    The CLR3000 only matches better because it has 6.5" midbasses

    And thats IT

    The CLR1000 is an older model, a passive 6.5" model - no subwoofer... and can be had for 100 or so bucks...

    The CLR2002 would be a smoking match with 5.25" midbasses too ----

    The CLR3000 is only needed if you are running some BP7000 (And even then the CLR1000 would match the Bp7000)

    Well, you owned the BP10B so I guess they just don't know much about the entire DefTech lineup.

    Anyways, will going with a center be of a bigger difference than, say, adding an amp or changing cables? Thanks!
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  • VR3
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    edited November 2007
    Get an amp AND a center channel - makes sense to me
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    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Get an amp AND a center channel - makes sense to me

    Will do. What would you recommend? I'm on a budget.

    P.S. I will most likely go with the C/L/R 2002.
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  • VR3
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    edited November 2007
    ok... so what is your budget? lol
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  • Serendipity
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    edited November 2007
    I don't really want to talk about it here, but I've been working for 3 years now and can afford to buy a good amp.

    The thing is - I'd rather put that towards buying textbooks for college, personal research/projects/etc. and other priorities in my life. I'm also interested in robotics and want to develop some really cool stuff.

    So basically it comes down to this - I can go with a pair of Parasound JC1, Odyssey Extreme Mono's, etc. but I'd rather keep the cost low. Something like $100 or so would be better for me.

    P.S. my mom says you are a bad influence :)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited November 2007
    Well

    For 100 bucks you might as well just stick to what you have

    There is a Odyssey Stratos on Audiogon right now for 600 bucks --- thats the best deal you are going to find ANYWHERE - PERIOD

    Thats a 1,200 dollar amp... light scratches here and there --- front light display dosnt work (uses two LED's, I'm sure you can fix that) and it probally uses the old green board, but still a fantastic deal...
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    edited November 2007
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Well

    For 100 bucks you might as well just stick to what you have

    There is a Odyssey Stratos on Audiogon right now for 600 bucks --- thats the best deal you are going to find ANYWHERE - PERIOD

    Thats a 1,200 dollar amp... light scratches here and there --- front light display dosnt work (uses two LED's, I'm sure you can fix that) and it probally uses the old green board, but still a fantastic deal...

    Nah, I can't fix that, I'm an electrical engineering major ;)

    600 bucks? That's quite a far way from 100 bucks. I was looking more for something like an Adcom GFA-545 or something like that.
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    edited November 2007
    Oh yeah -

    Will an Adcom GFA-545 hold me over or will I be disappointed?
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  • VR3
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    edited November 2007
    Ive owned every form of GFA-545, and the 535

    There no reason to own that amp if you can spend 500 more and it be the last amp you could possibly ever need...

    The Stratos is a smoking amp
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    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Ive owned every form of GFA-545, and the 535

    There no reason to own that amp if you can spend 500 more and it be the last amp you could possibly ever need...

    The Stratos is a smoking amp

    Never will be the last amp you could possibly ever need, as upgraditis will always hit sometime.

    So - I'm looking into the 5 channel Stratos HT5. Or should I go mono extremes?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited November 2007
    Ok..

    I'm all about helping people

    But you say 100 bucks....

    And now you are looking at a MINIMUM* of 1600 dollars USED...

    When you get the real budget and needs and want you actually want to do - I'll be back... but I'm not going to play what ifs....

    If you can afford Stratos Extremes and actually want them - I will definitely recomend them, they can power anything and are built to outlast you....

    Its a no brainer...

    I will never buy a multi-channel amp....
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    edited November 2007
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    When you get the real budget and needs and want you actually want to do - I'll be back... but I'm not going to play what ifs....

    If you can afford Stratos Extremes and actually want them - I will definitely recomend them, they can power anything and are built to outlast you....

    Not really anyone else's business, but I actually can afford the Stratos Extremes and I'm seriously interested in them. The question is, will I like the purchase or will I regret it, as I also want to put my money into robotics and other things I want to do in my life.
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    edited November 2007
    Real budget is up to $5,000.

    Debating between school (most important), personal research (would like to do), or for pleasure (the amp).
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  • VR3
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    Worth is in the eye of the beholder...

    to me - spending 1600 dollars on the amps that I will most likely never sell and keep forever is more than worth it...

    I've always wanted Mono Blocks -- and I got them and have heard nothing really better than Mono Blocks...

    If you are questioning their worth, then they are not worth it to you obviously and I would not recomend getting them....

    Thats all I can tell you
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    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Worth is in the eye of the beholder...

    to me - spending 1600 dollars on the amps that I will most likely never sell and keep forever is more than worth it...

    I've always wanted Mono Blocks -- and I got them and have heard nothing really better than Mono Blocks...

    If you are questioning their worth, then they are not worth it to you obviously and I would not recomend getting them....

    Thats all I can tell you

    Wasn't really questioning their worth, but rather that I want to invest in school, work on robotics, invent new things, do research, etc.

    What will the amps do for my life?
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  • VR3
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    edited November 2007
    This is a pointless conversation

    You are asking questions that only you can decide on...

    It makes no sense to bring such questions to a public venue or to anyone other than yourself...

    I ponder similar questions everyday and no one here has ever had me ask them for advice on it

    If it were me --- having messed with alot of menial steps in audio... to me it was more than worth it to just get all of this mess out of the way, I am rounding on owning alot of this stuff for a year now and am more and more impressed every single day...

    The components I own right now are absolutely astounding in every way...

    Was it worth it? I think so - sometimes I look back at all I spent and wonder if it were worth it, then I turn it on and then forget about it...

    What will amps do for your life? Nothing

    But life is short, enjoy it...
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2007
    When you start taping off loudspeaker positions, you have officially lost your mind. If there is a tape measure involved in placement, you're overthinking everything. Hi-fi is not that hard to do. When did it become a procedure?

    What happened to just setting up, and /or adjusting loudspeakers, until they sound good at your seat?

    I've yet to find a perfect room and who really cares, does it sound good? Why does it have to be perfect? I think that that some serious questions have been raised recently, in the Clubhouse.

    It's all about this or that, and did you do this or that, who gives a fluck? Does it sound good? And you have folks that everything is a magical upgrade, which is a crock of shite to me, but who am I to discount their opinion. If you hear it, they will come.

    I find validity in alot of opinions on this forum but disdain for others. I'm sure they feel the same way about me, bullocks to you, who cares. Make your own decision based on the information available.

    Rant over. Sometimes this hobby makes me ill.
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