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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,546
    edited September 2007
    Let me get this straight... Are you saying that you have been INTENTIONALLY misleading us with your post contents? If so, you should've said so at the outset. Allowances are made for such things.

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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited September 2007
    Well... There are 3 or more types of tape hiss in various parts of the audioband. The various dolby NR methods "map" the audio spectrum around these areas, and then in playback, reconstruct the original signal. The original dolby NR, only mapped around one of the hiss bands, and it also seemed to take the top end off a recording, making it sound dull and lifeless, but by dolby C, it was working well. I understand dolby S could make a good tape sound almost exactly like the original, basically no hiss at all. I wonder if I can find that stereo review article where they did a comparison between dolby NR types and other recording devices. The spectral maps tell the whole story.

    The thing about tape hiss, is that the Fe tapes had all the hiss types, and there is a hiss type that is not very high in the spectrum. But also, a quality tape deck, can record an Fe tape that sounds pretty good... it is actually better to NOT use dolby on the lower quality tapes, because dolby NR needs more dynamic range and resolution to work correctly.

    I never had to use dolby NR on metal tapes, but Cr02, I used dolby C with pretty good success, in dubbing my friend's CDs (remember when they came out with 74 minute tapes made for this?), no NR and the hiss bothered me enough... I only had a couple good metal tapes, and I saved those for my own mixes... hehe.
  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited September 2007
    yashu if you want to borrow my nakamichi all it will take is actualy shipping
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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited September 2007
    What kind of nak is it? Now you got me all nostalgic and interested.
  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited September 2007
    The kind of Nak that only requires "actualy shipping". I'm getting mis-lead here again. WHICH university?
  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited September 2007
    The kind of Nak that only requires "actualy shipping". I'm getting mis-lead here again. WHICH university?

    nobody was talking to you jackass,

    yashu, its a nakamichi cr-1a. But it weighs a ton probably 40 pounds or so.
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited September 2007
    F1nut wrote: »
    It's Sha-day, no effing R.

    Actually, if you look on the edge of the Diamond Life CD it says "SADE (SHAR-DAY) - DIAMOND LIFE". I don't know if that's correct but that's the way I've always pronounced it anyway....and gotten funny looks, I might add. :rolleyes:
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited September 2007
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    Actually, if you look on the edge of the Diamond Life CD it says "SADE (SHAR-DAY) - DIAMOND LIFE". I don't know if that's correct but that's the way I've always pronounced it anyway....and gotten funny looks, I might add. :rolleyes:

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  • MillerLiteScott
    MillerLiteScott Posts: 2,561
    edited September 2007
    Sweetest Taboo. Sade makes those jeans look very nice and such as.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited September 2007
    JimBRICK wrote: »
    nobody was talking to you jackass,

    When you post on a public forum, you are talking to EVERYBODY.
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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited September 2007
  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited September 2007
    I'm not starting to get to you am I Mr. Brick? I'm just getting started. The jackass comment is all I need to take the gloves off. See you around campus babe, I officially love you.
  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited September 2007
    I'm not starting to get to you am I Mr. Brick? I'm just getting started. The jackass comment is all I need to take the gloves off. See you around campus babe, I officially love you.

    Leave the gloves on, unless your going to wash your hands.:rolleyes:
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2007
    JimBRICK wrote: »
    nobody was talking to you jackass,

    yashu, its a nakamichi cr-1a. But it weighs a ton probably 40 pounds or so.

    I own a CR-1A and it weighs 11lbs. 4oz. Long ways from 40. :rolleyes:

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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited October 2007
    Leave my girl alone Heiney.
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,962
    edited October 2007
    NEVER heard a cassette tape that made me say "wow".If your into tape,reel to reel is where it's at.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2007
    Leave my girl alone Heiney.

    She's all yours George...........I'll get the popcorn going.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2007
    tonyb wrote: »
    NEVER heard a cassette tape that made me say "wow".If your into tape,reel to reel is where it's at.
    GG...You must really be flippin' bored.See what happens when you retire.:)

    Well yes, RTR is a better medium than cassette always has been always will be. Not very convenient. There are a handful of decks out there that should get your WOW factor going. I'd still be using cassette if there was a need but cd is better is many area's and so damn convenient.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited October 2007
    I have no need to defend George. He is capable of doing that himself...if he chooses to do so (which I doubt he will waste the effort).

    For all of you guys who never venture into country music you should try and see Brad Paisley's video of "Online". Classic..funny...and very true.
    cyberbullying

    Now there is a new psychobabble term. I am always amazed at the "why can't we all get along on the internet message boards" mantra. It is a nameless, faceless medium for communicating. How can anyone take it "personal"? For me it is entertainment. This is my "Reality TV".

    The ignore feature is your friend. I have taken adavantage of it on numerous occasions to make sure I don't waste my time reading drivel from idiots. NO ONE has to read or respond to any post whether it is directed at them or not.

    Feel free to put me on your ignore list at any time. Trust me...it will not hurt my feelings. :rolleyes:
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited October 2007
    Dollars to donuts it was an artillery shell that weighed 40lbs.

    Thanks for your advice and concern Sona. I'm going to be just fine.
  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited October 2007
    I'm unhooking the cassette tonite to send to a member of another board who wants to borrow it. I find the tapes too much a pain in the backside for finding tracks and the difference between tape to tape in quality stinks. Never thought of a reel to reel but isn't that just the same thing only harder to set up?
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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited October 2007
    Oh I missed the deadline I guess... was going to ask if it had dolby S...

    oh well.
  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited October 2007
    Yashu wrote: »
    Oh I missed the deadline I guess... was going to ask if it had dolby S...

    oh well.

    it has all the bells and whistles but its only a 2 head.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2007
    JimBRICK wrote: »
    it has all the bells and whistles but its only a 2 head.

    No Dolby S and very few bells and whistles (have no idea what Jim BRICK) is talking about.

    The CR 1A was Naks entry level 2 head deck, with dolby b and c. Manual tape counter and manual tape selector. It does have an MPX filter for recording off the radio. No track seek, no fancy flourescent meters, no real time tape counter, etc.

    That being said it makes great tape copies. For Nak it was about perfromance not bells and whistles.

    Are you sure you have a CR 1A? :rolleyes:

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited October 2007
    To me there was nothing like a very, very well recorded metal oxide cassette using an outboard dbx for noise reduction and a 120 slide mixer equalizer while spinning two records to make the mix.
  • hypertone
    hypertone Posts: 150
    edited October 2007
    JimBRICK wrote: »
    I'm unhooking the cassette tonite to send to a member of another board who wants to borrow it. I find the tapes too much a pain in the backside for finding tracks and the difference between tape to tape in quality stinks. Never thought of a reel to reel but isn't that just the same thing only harder to set up?


    Reel to reel is far better, but it depends on the speed of the machine. The higher the IPS rate, the better the signal to noise ratio. Reel to reel can sound incredible.
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2007
    To me there was nothing like a very, very well recorded metal oxide cassette using an outboard dbx for noise reduction and a 120 slide mixer equalizer while spinning two records to make the mix.

    I don't understand the use of an equalizer. DBX was a neat NR circuit but it wasn't universally adopted.

    Lots of people hated dolby but it was strictly a factor of how it was implemented on inexpensive decks. In cheap decks it could sound less optimal but when it was tracking correctly on a nice well designed deck it was excellent.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited October 2007
    heiney9 wrote: »
    No Dolby S and very few bells and whistles (have no idea what Jim BRICK) is talking about.

    The CR 1A was Naks entry level 2 head deck, with dolby b and c. Manual tape counter and manual tape selector. It does have an MPX filter for recording off the radio. No track seek, no fancy flourescent meters, no real time tape counter, etc.

    That being said it makes great tape copies. For Nak it was about perfromance not bells and whistles.

    Are you sure you have a CR 1A? :rolleyes:

    H9

    LOL I love when guys leave their names at the end of the message (like we don't know its's you). Heres a picture of it

    Misc.Pictures028.jpg

    the matching NAK cd player is just below. What the hell do I know about bells and whistles on tape decks. All I know is the reviews I read on the net and the guys reviewing thought it was pretty awesome. I think a $599 price tag in 1992 is a little better than entry level.

    Oh heres another pic at another angle in case you dont believe me about it either:rolleyes:

    Misc.Pictures029.jpg
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited October 2007
    The CR-1A that has CR-2A written on it? I SEE IT!! Which university was that again?

    Shootin' fish in a barrel here.


    Sona, this isn't even fun anymore. I shall cease and desist. Case rested.

    And I'm getting a REAL warm fuzzy about the artillery officer thing. What was your job? Drag the things around with a truck? Please don't tell me you shot them.
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited October 2007
    heiney9 wrote: »
    I don't understand the use of an equalizer. DBX was a neat NR circuit but it wasn't universally adopted.

    Lots of people hated dolby but it was strictly a factor of how it was implemented on inexpensive decks. In cheap decks it could sound less optimal but when it was tracking correctly on a nice well designed deck it was excellent.

    H9

    The mixer and eq were for remixing the music that I loved and gave it my own touch. I made a remix of DSOTM and my buddy still has a copy and he swears it's the best he's ever heard. Of course he and I both are biased. I would just accentuate certain riffs and phasing. It was fun and pretty satifying.