heres some Gallo speakers for you

Gaara

Thanks for the intel, I always assumed that the mids were the same as previous incarnations, but I guess this is not the case.

As for the new speakers V was refering to the new 5LS. A little info here just do a google for Gallo 5LS and you'll find tons. Not out yet, supposed to be Q3 2007 last I checked.

venomclan

Jared beat me to it, but here is a link from another forum
http://www.hometheaterlounge.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=2163&highlight=gallo

Yashu

Looks like some ultra super duper version of a HT speaker. That is a lot of tweeters though.

I don't like any speaker that NEEDS a sub. I have never heard a system with a sub that sounded as integrated as a full range speaker.

Gallo has made such a name for itself in high end HT that this does not suprise me though.

Gaara

Just a line array.

If you have never heard a system where the sub integrated well you haven't been listening to the right subs.

I used a Martin Logan Grotto with my SIA Rothschilde A2s and it was very fast and detailed, it integrated perfectly to fill in the bottom octave. Worked great with my LSi7s as well.

Jared

Yashu

The problem with subs are that to perfectly integrate them into your system, you need to either run your mains through the crossover in the sub, or have the sub and mains hooked into some kind of active or passive external crossover (like how Vandersteen does their sub).

Basically... you are adding an extra layer in your chain, sometimes of a completely different manufactuerer than your mains.

However, I am speaking in 2 channel language... For movies, I have heard plenty of great systems with good bass that felt integrated into the experience... and the modern A/V Reciever is owed the props by playing the part of the crossover instead of having to use the one in the sub.

I was not very specific... I was not talking about HT.

You might not be talking about HT either... and I do agree that there are some musical subs out there... Vandersteen, Totem, the Martin Logan that you mention. The only one I have heard was the Vandersteen... It was paired with Vandersteen mains, and used it's passive crossover box to integrate almost seemlessly. I still had that "disconnected bass" feeling though... and this was in a treated room.

I am not knocking subs... but there is far less for them to "do" in a music setup, with full range speakers. Actually, I sometimes feel that a lot of music just doesn't sound right with a sub... like the sound engineer did not realise there was that extreme LF here or there. It's funny the things that you hear and feel on a powerful sub that you never knew where there.

unc2701

Again, you just haven't heard a sub done correctly. W/ 2 channel it's harder to integrate them properly, but it can add to many systems. The important thing that most people miss is the the sub should be a SUB!!! It should kick in where your mains roll off: for most people this means below 40hz.

Gaara

Yashu,

I meant my statements for 2ch. I personally want the purest signal for my speakers so I have preamps with dual outputs. One goes directly to the speakers and the other, when using a sub, goes to the sub. In some cases I will use a external x-over or eq, other times I just use the x-over in the sub.

I spent ~6hrs setting up my Grotto to integrate, I tried different locations, different x-over points, different levels, and different eq settings. I did freq sweeps to test and it turned out quite well, matched up almost perfectly. The only downside was the sub was set to do 40hz and below only, with a brick wall filter set at 40hz. It integrated best this way, but the sub got so little use that it was pointless to keep in the system, mainly due to my musical tastes.

With my main rig I had a sub for a while when using 2ch but eventually got rid of it. There was more oomph but after treatments and a new amp my mains are solid down to 20hz. Adding the sub gives some extra power down low but it masks the true tone of the bass.

Yashu

I did the same thing when I was trying to integrate a sub into my system. I used the 2nd pre-out on my NAD integrated and sent it directly to the sub... but I was never able to get the sub's rolloff to match my mains. I tried everything and it always sounded "wrong"... sometimes it didn't sound bad, but it was distracting.

Here is what I thought about doing to make it right:

I was going to purchase a passive adjustable hi-pass filter and put it between the pre out and the main in on the amp, then I would be able to roll off the mains to better match the sub. The problem with this approach is that the headphone circuit is AFTER the main in... meaning, I could not use my headphones anymore without buying a seperate rig for them. The headphone circuit in my NAD is actually pretty good, and the level of complication it was going to take to make the sub work was going to be too much for my minimalist ways... so I sold it.

Anyway, that made me realise how hard it was to do subs right with 2channel music. Not saying it isn't possible, but it seems pretty tough.

(BTW I realised how off topic we have become, hehe)

unc2701

Not to dig up an old thread, but I think I finally found who makes the subs in the Gallo Ref 3's:
http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=45_338_340&products_id=1079
Looks right to me, anyway.


All I need is a pair of those and I can make my own Ghetto Gallos with all the parts I got back from the upgrade!

venomclan

Then you can call them the 3.11111111111's
Go for it.
Venom

unc2701

The only problem is the "S2" stuffing. I can't reverse engineer that, so I'm gonna have to make my enclosures about 5x larger and I'll lose some of that punchiness that the Gallos have.

I wonder if they'd sell me some? I don't see how it'd be a problem for them...

ABX

A friend has the Gallos, likes em too.
He did the stand trick, and has a big Velodyne Sub.
He has all older Classe stuff on them.

venomclan

Unc, you are not running the sub amp correct? If you like that much bass, I think a REL or the JBL Fathom may mate
speed wise with the Gallo's and save you all the trouble. Of course, that is the easy, expensive and boring way....
Venom

unc2701

Sorry, I wasn't clear- I'm totally happy with the sound coming from my gallo's right now.


Here's the thing: I got my Gallo's upgraded to 3.1. They replaced everything except for the cabinets and the subs and sent the parts back, too: Tweeters, Mids, crossovers, etc.

So I have everything I need to build a _second_ set of Gallo's except for the sub drivers and the S2 stuffing. Without the stuffing, I'd have to change the enclosure sizes, since the Q would be way off.

venomclan

Just curious, did you get the upgrade done from Gallo factory? What did it cost?

unc2701

Yep, from the factory and I think it was about $600 per speaker- they had some options for how much or how little they did (new transformer, keep/ditch the tweeter switch, etc). I plan on hanging on to these indefinitely, so it was worth it to me, especially for getting all the old parts back.

Their CS is great, was in no hurry, totally willing to talk about everything. It's hard to say how much of difference it made since, I couldn't A/B back and forth, but my impression was the new tweeters were a little smoother and the mids a little punchier.

venomclan

I guess you really love the Gallo's to do an upgrade like that. It is cool that you still have the other drivers. I would try and see if Gallo has a pair of empty shell Ref 3 enclosures he can sell you, then make some surrounds out of them for a killer system.
V