heres some Gallo speakers for you

JimBRICK
JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
edited October 2007 in 2 Channel Audio
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1192816074


Now these are nice
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Speaker - Klipsch Heresy II
Under construction
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,663
    edited August 2007
    Go for it. LOL
    engtaz

    I love how music can brighten up a bad day.
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  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited August 2007
    engtaz wrote: »
    Go for it. LOL

    Nah too cheap for me :D
    2 CHANNEL
    Speaker - Klipsch Heresy II
    Under construction
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited August 2007
    Get em Jim, then you will officially be in the "Got Balls" club with us. :D
    Venom
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,663
    edited August 2007
    too funny
    engtaz

    I love how music can brighten up a bad day.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited August 2007
    Since when is 90db a high efficiency speaker?
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited August 2007
    venomclan wrote: »
    Get em Jim, then you will officially be in the "Got Balls" club with us. :D
    Venom

    My son gets a college fund before I get 3000 buck speakers :D
    2 CHANNEL
    Speaker - Klipsch Heresy II
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  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited August 2007
    Probably the most hideous speakers yet.
    Michael ;)
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  • SKsolutions
    SKsolutions Posts: 1,820
    edited August 2007
    Those just scream JACKASS !
    -Ignorance is strength -
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited August 2007
    Face wrote: »
    Since when is 90db a high efficiency speaker?

    Good question. I've always considered anything <90db low efficiency and I don't recall a middle ground on that. Who cares really, buy the right amp and you'll never worry about that rating.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited August 2007
    SKsolutions wrote: »
    Those just scream JACKASS !

    Have you heard them or are you just talking about a picture? The tweeter used in that array is actually quite smooth and while the design isn't my cup of tea either, it sounds good.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • hypertone
    hypertone Posts: 150
    edited August 2007
    Looks like a vertical ****.
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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited August 2007
    I've never been a fan of the look of the older Gallos, a little to weird for my taste. I love the look of the Ref3s though...
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  • SKsolutions
    SKsolutions Posts: 1,820
    edited August 2007
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Have you heard them or are you just talking about a picture? The tweeter used in that array is actually quite smooth and while the design isn't my cup of tea either, it sounds good.

    Nothing like mounting your balls in the living room. Make sure they are far away from the walls. . . and company.. . so they can breath.

    A visual atrocity. A Star Trek speaker, when Shatner was in it.

    Doro, I've not heard this model, but did very much like the Ref 3's on first impression. I dig the idea of 360-ish degree sound radiation, but at what expense.
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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited August 2007
    The tweeter used in that array is actually quite smooth

    I have heard the ref. 3.1s and they are quite nice. I understand they still do not use any kind of complicated crossover network, but at what price? Mechanical engineering can only go so far. The reference 3.1s sounded pretty good to my ears, maybe a little bright (this might just be being me mistaking "open" with bright), although the tweeter was more "airy" than I would call smooth. They did a good job filling the room though!
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited August 2007
    Yashu wrote: »
    I have heard the ref. 3.1s and they are quite nice. I understand they still do not use any kind of complicated crossover network, but at what price? Mechanical engineering can only go so far. The reference 3.1s sounded pretty good to my ears, maybe a little bright (this might just be being me mistaking "open" with bright), although the tweeter was more "airy" than I would call smooth. They did a good job filling the room though!

    There is only 1 crossover at 150hz for the 10" sub. Incredible soundstage, very fast too.
    Venom
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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited August 2007
    The speed was very nice... I was at one of the high end dealers that I go to, and they had a set setup to demo for someone else, but I kindof sat in and listened because I had wanted to hear them. There was definately an "airy" quality to the sound and yes they were fast... but open fast, not so much "tight" fast... not sure how to explain that better... oh, I know... they had a sound closer to electrostatics than box speakers.

    I didn't hear anything wrong with them, other than the material used by the other couple auditioning them was not something I was familure with so I didn't have a good reference.

    The ones posted here in the thread don't look as nice though... and without a real bass driver, I am assuming they NEED a sub, whereas the ref. 3s do not.
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited August 2007
    Yashu,
    I am not familiar with the Ref 2's, so they probably need a sub. I am pretty happy without a sub or the sub amp on the 2nd voice coil. I have been experimenting sub different amps with the 3.1's and now have a Butler 250 watt SS/Tube Hybrid amp that I like a lot. The one thing I noticed about the 3.1 in all the demos I made at the dealer and at my house, the 3.1 tends to put the image a bit behind the speakers, as my prevoius B&W's put the image forward.
    V
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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited August 2007
    That is an interesting observation. The demo that I experienced was with "world" music (think middle eastern pop music), so I was not quite sure what to make of that part. I liked them though... the ref. 3s were much smaller than I expected, and yet they easily filled the room. I think I even asked if they were using the Gallo sub, and it was not being used... so the bass was more than adequate.

    I never liked side firing woofers either... like the LSi 15s, I would have a hard time owning the LSi15s because of that side firing woofer, but the driver in the gallo speakers was fast and had a long throw. (the woofers were facing inward) The whole thing looked like a quality speaker.

    The HT part of the demo is where I felt the gallos truly shined, not because the ref. 3s are bad for 2 channel or anything, but because gallo did a good job building an entire HT package... those tweeters gave such a nice sense of space that I would love to be able to build a HT around them.

    I think on the AVS forums there are quite a few people that are also in this camp... they swear by the gallos for HT. I see them talked about less on the audiophile forums, but after hearing them, I have no real doubt about their performance with 2 channel music.

    The whole mechanical crossover thing... It's not that I doubt the gallos, it is that my background in mechanical design makes me wonder if the freq. slope can really be flat without a little help from some kind of basic electronic "tuning". I wonder if Stereophile has ever done a review... their measurements are usually pretty accurate. If they haven't, then they should, since these speakers (ref 3s) sound more serious than they appear.
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited August 2007
    Hi Yashu,
    Sounds like a nice demo of the Gallo's. I too was surprised at how small they were in person. A popular tweak for the Gallo's is too raise them up on stands and a few aftermarket companies make stands for them. The 3.1 images very wide but not as tall. Mine came with custom Sound Anchor stands that raises them about 10". Here is a pic of mine:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51539&highlight=gallo+3.1

    I use them for both 2 channel and HT. I have a pair of surrounds on the way (Dues). I do not think Stereophile reviewed them but The Absolute Sound did in 2004 and they were speaker of the year and on the cover. Check out some of the 6moons. reviews if you are interested:

    http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/gallo/ref3.html

    There are a few reviews on the Reference 3 and 3.1, sub amp, 3 vs. 3.1 etc...

    I use the Butler hybrid amp, here is a review on this amp, at the end they use it on the Gallos.

    http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/butler/2250.html

    Curious to know what you think as an engineer.
    Venom
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  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited August 2007
    I say it again Venom............damn those are beautiful speakers
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited August 2007
    JimBRICK wrote: »
    I say it again Venom............damn those are beautiful speakers

    Thanks :)
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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited August 2007
    That Butler amp is pretty cool.

    The things that I help design do not have tollarances anywhere near as tight as the gallos. To think about how much engineering that must have went into the driver design and fabrication, and to then prepare that for manufactuering, that the price is actually pretty good. I'll bet he went through many many driver revisions before getting the pair to match up so well... It's not the cheap route that is for sure. It is much more cost effective to either source drivers from somewhere, or design something that get's close and then tweak it with electronics.

    BTW, do you listen with the grilles on or off? I heard them with the grilles off. My dealer does not like the grilles... but that may be because he is trying to make a sale, and they look more interesting with them removed.
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited August 2007
    Yashu wrote: »
    That Butler amp is pretty cool.

    The things that I help design do not have tollarances anywhere near as tight as the gallos. To think about how much engineering that must have went into the driver design and fabrication, and to then prepare that for manufactuering, that the price is actually pretty good. I'll bet he went through many many driver revisions before getting the pair to match up so well... It's not the cheap route that is for sure. It is much more cost effective to either source drivers from somewhere, or design something that get's close and then tweak it with electronics.

    BTW, do you listen with the grilles on or off? I heard them with the grilles off. My dealer does not like the grilles... but that may be because he is trying to make a sale, and they look more interesting with them removed.

    I am not certain, but I believe that the drivers Gallo uses are made by Dynaudio. A lot of engineering went into this design nonetheless. Gallo has a new flagship now that uses multiple tweeters and midrange drivers, I think speaker each has 8 mids and tweets. They are $14K/Pair but I have not heard them.

    I use the grills on because I have a 60lb. bulldog that can destroy a city block. I would prefer them to be off, and hopefully I will have a dedicated room in the future that will allow that. I had read somewhere on another forum that the 3.1's sound a lot different without the grills. I have not tried it yet.
    Venom
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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited August 2007
    venomclan wrote: »
    I am not certain, but I believe that the drivers Gallo uses are made by Dynaudio. A lot of engineering went into this design nonetheless. Gallo has a new flagship now that uses multiple tweeters and midrange drivers, I think speaker each has 8 mids and tweets. They are $14K/Pair but I have not heard them.

    Venom

    The woofer is a dynaudio and I believe the mids are still dynaudio as well, the older Gallos used dynaudio for the mids also. The kynar tweeter is Gallo's own design.
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited August 2007
    I'm not so sure about the mids being Dynaudios... I've got the spares from when I upgraded to 3.1, so I'll look for a part number tonight.
    Gallo Ref 3.1 : Bryston 4b SST : Musical fidelity CD Pre : VPI HW-19
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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited August 2007
    You could always hang these http://www.bullsballs.com/compare/chabullballs.html on the speakers for better damping...resonance control...overall looks ;)

    They are of course the Champagne variety...nothing but the best for high end audio....
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  • strider
    strider Posts: 2,568
    edited August 2007
    shadowofnight wrote: »
    You could always hang these http://www.bullsballs.com/compare/chabullballs.html on the speakers for better damping...resonance control...overall looks ;)

    They are of course the Champagne variety...nothing but the best for high end audio....

    Just when I thought I couldn't add anything pertinent to this thread...
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited August 2007
    shadowofnight wrote: »
    You could always hang these http://www.bullsballs.com/compare/chabullballs.html on the speakers for better damping...resonance control...overall looks ;)

    They are of course the Champagne variety...nothing but the best for high end audio....

    Nah, not really going for the redneck look, but I am sure they would look great on my Corolla :D
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,963
    edited August 2007
    Still diggin' that amp Pal ??
    Glad to see you got your music on,enjoy!!
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  • Yashu
    Yashu Posts: 772
    edited August 2007
    I don't see anything on gallo's website about a new Reference speaker. The 3.1s seem to be their best.

    I also think that their mids are now made in-house. I thought I read that in the 6moons article... but not sure. It was part of what they had to do to avoid using a crossover for the tweeter and the mids.

    Here is the quote in the postscript:
    I learned that his custom Carbon-fiber 4-inch midrange drivers went through incarnations A through H until he finally came up with the perfectly tweaked 4-layer voice coil transducer to mechanically roll off at 3,000Hz

    That is one reason I marvelled at the amount of engineering it must have taken to get everything to perfectly match, and to reliably manufactuer it.
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