DefTech BP7004 vs LSI 15/25
Hey guys, I'm finally about to bite the bullet and upgrade my system. My question for you experts is how do these two compare. I realize this is a polk forum but simply trying to get the most for my money. By the way, I have a chance to purchase a demo pair of 7004 for about the same price as the LSI15 discount prices.
Thanks
By the way, I searched and found one thread with some advice. I do plan on purchasing a seperate amp too.
Thanks
By the way, I searched and found one thread with some advice. I do plan on purchasing a seperate amp too.
LSI 15
LSI C
LSI FX
80 fx ls for atmos
Velodyne SPL-10
Marantz 7012
Panasonic 9000
JVC 420
LSI C
LSI FX
80 fx ls for atmos
Velodyne SPL-10
Marantz 7012
Panasonic 9000
JVC 420
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Hey guys, I'm finally about to bite the bullet and upgrade my system. My question for you experts is how do these two compare. I realize this is a polk forum but simply trying to get the most for my money. By the way, I have a chance to purchase a demo pair of 7004 for about the same price as the LSI15 discount prices.
Thanks
By the way, I searched and found one thread with some advice. I do plan on purchasing a seperate amp too.
I never heard the DT's so I can only relay what I've read (fantastic for HT, pretty good but not great for 2 channel). If that's true I can't comment. However I did hear the LSI15's & they were excellent for both HT & 2 channel. Tough call on your part, let your ears & budget make the final decision."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
My opnion the Lsi15's are far superior to the 7004's in every way and even on Sunday. I perfer the sound of the Lsi's. I tried to like Def Tech and spent many hours messing around with them. In the end they are not for me.
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The DefTech BP series is great for HT but easily forgotten on 2CH.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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I always felt that if Definitive would take the drivers, cabinet construction and crossover design they implemented into the 7000 series and made them in a passive line to take place of the BPxxB lineup, they would have a great line up.
I kind of did this, I made my own cabinets, mirror imaged them and over-hauled the crossover... and they still are one of my most favorite speakers ever. Absolutely loved the BP10B. So much fun to play around with!
Love the 7000 series, but are so overpriced with those god awful cube subs built into the speaker. Those subs absolutely suck.
Either way, if it were me, I would go with the BP10B - but that isnt on par with a LSi15, its inbetween the RTi and the LSi series to me.
Now I think if the 7000 series were transferred into a passive line up, they would be on pay with the LSi series.
Bipolar speakers are so much fun! haha.- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
The only manufacturer I've heard that does a monkeycoffin bipole/dipole design right, is Von Schweikert. DT ain't no VS...but the price brackets don't match either.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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The only manufacturer I've heard that does a monkeycoffin bipole/dipole design right, is Von Schweikert. DT ain't no VS...but the price brackets don't match either.
Mirage has the bipolar (well they call it Omni-polar) area covered pretty well too. The original "M" series were quite spectacular as are a few of the "OM" series, especially the non powered version.
LSi series is very hard to beat for a 2ch and it's naturally a great HT speaker too, IMO. Never really had a chance to spend much time with Def Tech.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Mirage basically invented the bipolar design with replica front and rear arrays...
And the basic design works off reflections and getting rid of any signal lost due to cancelation in the backwave.
So basically you get a reinforced bass response and a nice airy soundstage when positioned right.
They are ALOT of fun to play around with.
The Omni polar is a neat idea, would love to have a pair of the Omnis and the Bipolars to dick around with. TONS of fun.
Chances are I'll pick up a pair of BP30s to play around. Always wanted a pair.
Anyways, the LSi's sound good, but the Def Techs are "funner" haha- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Mirage has the bipolar (well they call it Omni-polar) area covered pretty well too. The original "M" series were quite spectacular as are a few of the "OM" series, especially the non powered version.
LSi series is very hard to beat for a 2ch and it's naturally a great HT speaker too, IMO. Never really had a chance to spend much time with Def Tech.
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Mirage ain't no monkey coffin. The line stinks.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint. -
Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »Mirage basically invented the bipolar design with replica front and rear arrays...
And the basic design works off reflections and getting rid of any signal lost due to cancelation in the backwave.
So basically you get a reinforced bass response and a nice airy soundstage when positioned right.
They are ALOT of fun to play around with.
The Omni polar is a neat idea, would love to have a pair of the Omnis and the Bipolars to dick around with. TONS of fun.
Chances are I'll pick up a pair of BP30s to play around. Always wanted a pair.
Anyways, the LSi's sound good, but the Def Techs are "funner" haha
Mirage didn't invent **** but their own trademarks.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint. -
Atleast your consistent Doro
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28467&highlight=mirage
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
It doesn't always happen but I try to be an equal opportunity ****.
I REALLY want to hear the new DT Mythos ST, as I've heard great things about it from ppl I actually trust in this BS hobby. THAT goes against everything I've ever experienced about that brand, and to me, that's big
CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint. -
I agree that with their current line of omni whatever spheres they have left behind a past of excellent speakers.The M1 was a ground breaking product.Mirage ain't no monkey coffin. The line stinks.Testing
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Ummmm...what is a monkey coffin?...just...you know.....askin'.Sharp Elite 70
Anthem D2V 3D
Parasound 5250
Parasound HCA 1000 A
Parasound HCA 1000
Oppo BDP 95
Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
Totem Mask Surrounds X4
Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
Sony PS3
Squeezebox Touch
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wingnut4772 wrote: »Ummmm...what is a monkey coffin?...just...you know.....askin'.
It's in reference to large floor standing speakers. So large you could bury a monkey or small human in them.:)"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Doesn't have to be large floorstanders either. There are small monkeys that would fit into most bookshelves.
It what guys in the planar world (Maggies, Carvers, ML, etc.) call traditional speakersThere is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
Ordered LSI15s. They are a beautiful design and after hearing them they are spectacular. Now I need to get rid of my cherry 1000ps and 400 center...LSI 15
LSI C
LSI FX
80 fx ls for atmos
Velodyne SPL-10
Marantz 7012
Panasonic 9000
JVC 420 -
Doesn't have to be large floorstanders either. There are small monkeys that would fit into most bookshelves.
It what guys in the planar world (Maggies, Carvers, ML, etc.) call traditional speakers
Ahhh ok. I guess I will remove my finger from the ASPCA speed dial.:pSharp Elite 70
Anthem D2V 3D
Parasound 5250
Parasound HCA 1000 A
Parasound HCA 1000
Oppo BDP 95
Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
Totem Mask Surrounds X4
Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
Sony PS3
Squeezebox Touch
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Sorry to hyjack this thread but i am planning on buying the lsi15's this weekend and was wondering what amps people recommend. I want just one that does 5 or 7 channel. Am considering the outlaw 7500, but would like to spend less if i can.Home Theater
lsi 15's, lsi c, lsi f/x
onkyo 805
sunfire tga 5200
toshiba - xa2
panasonic bd30
sony kdl40v2500
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Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »I always felt that if Definitive would take the drivers, cabinet construction and crossover design they implemented into the 7000 series and made them in a passive line to take place of the BPxxB lineup, they would have a great line up.
I kind of did this, I made my own cabinets, mirror imaged them and over-hauled the crossover... and they still are one of my most favorite speakers ever. Absolutely loved the BP10B. So much fun to play around with!
Love the 7000 series, but are so overpriced with those god awful cube subs built into the speaker. Those subs absolutely suck.
Either way, if it were me, I would go with the BP10B - but that isnt on par with a LSi15, its inbetween the RTi and the LSi series to me.
Now I think if the 7000 series were transferred into a passive line up, they would be on pay with the LSi series.
Bipolar speakers are so much fun! haha.
I think the BP10B sounds wonderful. IMO, the BP700xSC series from DefTech would compete with the LSi15, but that's just my opinion.polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
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I REALLY want to hear the new DT Mythos ST, as I've heard great things about it from ppl I actually trust in this BS hobby. THAT goes against everything I've ever experienced about that brand, and to me, that's big
I auditioned the Mythos and they were really on the short list with LSi. Very contemporary in looks, the speakers sound great from mid-range on up and seem to be very easy to drive. Ultimately I wanted full-range speakers so I eliminated these from the short list.Do you hear that buzzing noise?
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Sandy Gross(DefTech Founder) has a full on Mythos ST(New) setup on vinyl and tubes that I'm trying to get my ears on someday. I've heard thru unnamed sources its pretty stellar.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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How is the bp7000 series not so good and the mythos good --- when they use the same drivers???- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Who are you asking?CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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The Mythos use the tweeter and midbass drivers out of the BP7006.- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Are you sure about that?CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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I WANT A PAIR OF MONKEY COFFINS
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Ah, the ST is new - the original Mythos use 7000 series drivers.
Disregard. - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
I auditioned the ST's locally and was somewhat disappointed. I had seriously thought about going for them until the demo.
I did a side-by-side comparison w/ Boston's e100's, and the Bostons really put the ST's to shame,which I was NOT expecting. Granted, the e100's are 1400 more for the pair, but I guess I had heard so many superlatives about the ST's that I expected earth-shattering goodness.
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I'd love to have a good Boston Acoustics demo as I havn't had one in years. I'll add that to my short list.
MarkCTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint. -
Always wanted to hear the Boston VR3 line up because of my screen name. Never was impressed with what Tweeter carried back in the day.- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
