1.2 TL mods

stubby
stubby Posts: 723
edited October 2002 in Speakers
I guess this question is more or less for raife1. I remember reading that you modified your 1.2TL's crossover and thought the results were worth the effort.
What exactly did you change/modify? I thought about trying it myself, I'm no electronics expert but surely it couldn't be that hard. Any help would be appreciated.

Stubby
SRS 3.1TL
Harman Kardon Citation 5.1
Anthem AVM2



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  • har_navalta
    har_navalta Posts: 957
    edited October 2002
    raife1,

    Please share to us whatever the improvements you did to your
    1.2TL's. As in stubby's question...I too will be interested in modifying my 1.2TL's.

    Har
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  • axeman
    axeman Posts: 170
    edited October 2002
    Yea Raife, I would like to know too. I thought you said something about putting Mylar caps in them or something to that effect.

    Joe
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited October 2002
    1. Prior to upgrade, do a few hours of critical listening with well-recorded LP's and CD's. Take very detailed notes with regard to instrument placement in the soundstage, general dimensions of the soundstage, subtle musical details, and the realism of sound as compared to live performances. Make diagrams of the apparent placement of instruments and vocals within the soundstage.

    2. Order Crossover Schematic from Polk Customer Service.

    3. Study schematic and make a parts list of items to be replaced.

    4. Take accurate measurements of crossover circuit board and measurements of stock crossover components (electrolytic capacitors, mylar capacitors, and cermet resistors).

    5. Check parts vendors online catalogs for required parts. Pay particular attention to the dimensions of potential replacement parts. You want to make sure everything will fit on the circuit board.

    6. Order AudioCap PPMF polypropylene capacitors (1.5uF, 12uF, 27uF values), Cardas silver quad-eutectic solder, and Cardas heavy-duty, telurium copper gold-plated binding posts from SonicCraft of Wichita Falls, TX. Cost: $293. 79. The binding post replacement requires that the holes in the binding post plate be enlarged. I used a drill bit.

    7. Order Mill's MRB 1% tolerance wirewound, low inductance resistors (2.7 ohm, 7.5 ohm, 12 ohm, 15 ohm, 22.1 ohm), and 0.22uF PPMF-X metalized polypropylene film capacitors from Michael Percy Audio of Nevada City, CA. Cost: $52.93.

    8. Buy two yards of 60" wide thin, silky-black knit fabric from the local Hancock Fabrics store. Stock #46794. Cost $10.44. Use this to replace the thicker stock grille cloth.

    9. Go to Home Depot and buy two four-packs of 1-1/8" teflon sliders to cover the metal feet on the bottoms of the speakers. Didn't want to scratch my hardwood floors.

    10. Complete all modifications for the right speaker and then do detailed listening tests comparing it to the unmodified left speaker. Listen with and without the interconnect cable in place. Take very detailed notes.

    11. Complete modifications for the left speaker. Working carefully, the crossover, grille cloth, and binding post modifications took a little under three hours per speaker. This was not a trivial exercise. Care must be used to mark the positions of the components and component lead insertion points on the circuit board. Because of the larger sizes of the replacement capacitors and resistors, some components had to be mounted on the underside of the circuit board. After soldering, components were secured with plastic locking straps.

    12. Do a critical post-mod listening session. Do not refer to previous pre-mod listening notes. Take very detailed notes with regard to instrument placement in the soundstage, general dimensions of the soundstage, subtle musical details, and the realism of sound as compared to live performances. Make diagrams of the apparent placement of instruments and vocals within the soundstage.

    13. Mentally compare notes from the pre and post mod listening sessions. Compare the actual listening notes and soundstage diagrams from the pre and post mod listening sessions.

    14. Smile from ear to ear.:D

    Total parts cost of modifications was $364.72.

    I did not replace the internal wiring because I did not notice a difference when I replaced the internal wiring of my SDA 1B's.

    Improvements in sound: Not a night and day difference, after all, they sounded very good to begin with.

    A. The biggest improvement was in the solidity and three-dimensionality of the soundstage. Soundstage was wider and deeper, with more of a sense of real musicians being in the room.

    B. Bass was tighter and "punchier".

    C. More resolution and detail throughout the entire frequency range. The resolution continued to slightly improve over a period of three weeks as the new parts were broken in. Over this period, I was constantly surprised by subtle musical details I had never heard before, particularly with my Jazz LP's.

    Partial List of Reference Recordings Used in Listening Sessions:

    CD's
    1. Dave Brubeck Quartet, "Time Out", Tracks 1 and 3.

    2. Vanessa Williams, "Vanessa Williams Greatest Hits", Tracks 5, 6, 10, 13.

    3. David Sanborn, "Upfront", Track 2.

    4. "Oasis Smooth Jazz Awards Collection", Tracks 1 and 8.

    5. Sonny Rollins, "Saxophone Colossus", Tracks 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.

    6. Miles Davis, "Kind of Blue", Tracks 1, 2, and 4.

    7. The Crusaders, "Street Life", Track 1.

    LP's
    1. George Benson, "Breezin"-Mobile Fidelity Original Master Recording. Side 1, Track 2.

    2. Bob James, "Touchdown"-Master Sound Audiophile Pressing, Side 1, Tracks 1 and 2.

    3. Herb Alpert, "Keep Your Eye On Me", Side 2, Tracks 1, 2, and 3.

    4. The Crusaders, "Street Life", Side 1, Track 1.

    5. Sonny Rollins, "Saxophone Colossus", Side 1, Track 2.
    Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,645
    edited October 2002
    raife1,

    That's cool! I would like to do that to my 2.3TL's. Do you know what I would need for them?
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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    President of Club Polk

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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited October 2002
    f1nut,

    Email Ken Swauger in Polk Customer sercvice (KSwauger@polkaudio.com). Tell him you need a 2.3TL schematic and he'll send one out.:cool:
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,645
    edited October 2002
    raife1,

    Thanks, I'll do that.
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  • har_navalta
    har_navalta Posts: 957
    edited October 2002
    raife1,

    Thank you very much... this is pretty smart... I will study how to modify my 1.2TL's.


    Har
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  • har_navalta
    har_navalta Posts: 957
    edited October 2002
    As raife quoted where to buy these required parts for mods...
    These sites:
    1). http://www.percyaudio.com/
    2). http://www.soniccraft.com/
    Much easier for everyone interested for it...

    F1nut,
    When you modify your 2.3TL's, let me know how it will come out ...

    Har
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  • stubby
    stubby Posts: 723
    edited October 2002
    Thank you so much for sharing this info. Now I have a project! Did you mention to Ken at Polk what you were going to do when you ordered the schemo? He's a sharp guy.
    This is probably a bit more involved than the simple soldering I do at work, but I should be able to get it done. I'm glad you mentioned the internal wiring bit. That was my next question.
    So do your speakers agree with those hardwood floors? Looks beautiful but seems there would be a lot of reflection. Of course, with the line source array reflections are supposed to be more controlled.
    Again, thanks for the info. I'm sure you have a lot of time invested in it. Glad you shared it with the rest of us SRS junkies.

    Stubby
    SRS 3.1TL
    Harman Kardon Citation 5.1
    Anthem AVM2



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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited October 2002
    Stubby,

    No, I didn't mention to Ken what I was up to, but I'm sure he had an idea. However, when I did my first SDA mod some years back on my SDA 1B's, I did talk at length on the phone with a Polk engineer who gave me a lot of helpful information.

    I was initially concerned about the hardwood floors. It turned out that I didn't need any room deadening treatments. I get a little bit of an echo, but it is no more than that of a recording studio with hardwood floors. I agree that the line source array of the drivers helps to tame reflections. Also, having the lowest driver 33 inches above the floor helps to minimize reflections.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,645
    edited October 2002
    Har,

    Thanks for the links and I'll be sure to post the out come.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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