We're at WAR last time I checked....
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The real reason we are in Iraq is that's what the think tank guys wanted.
We used to have Iran as our "friendly MidEastern" country. Carter screwed
that up bigtime. We then had to make sure nobody won between the many
battles between Iran and Iraq. A unified extremist state or Hussain in charge
of that much of the region would of been a recipe for disaster.
The trouble is, between Iran and Saudi radicals, we are in for a rough
ride. There is a good chance Pakistan will fall to radical control in the next
two years. They almost killed off all the top leaders there a couple of years ago.
Turkey and Saudi Arabia are also not looking too good.
There will at some time be a huge unified group of extremists states with
deep oil money pockets to push for a worldwide Jihad.
The only real way to slow it down would of been to spend all that
Iraq war money for a conversion over to hydrogen/other fuel base.
No cash cow, no terrorist funding.
The money that could of helped fix this is gone. Down the toilet for a lost cause.
Iraq history shows us they hate Western control. Most of their citizens would
prefer to have a ruthless dictator over a "Western" friendly government.
You can not force democracy. It must be wanted and earned by the people
that live there. I wish I had a better answer to the problem. We leave,
Iran will take over. We stay, more wasted lives and money."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
sucks2beme wrote:The real reason we are in Iraq is that's what the think tank guys wanted.
We used to have Iran as our "friendly MidEastern" country. Carter screwed
that up bigtime. We then had to make sure nobody won between the many
battles between Iran and Iraq. A unified extremist state or Hussain in charge
of that much of the region would of been a recipe for disaster.
The trouble is, between Iran and Saudi radicals, we are in for a rough
ride. There is a good chance Pakistan will fall to radical control in the next
two years. They almost killed off all the top leaders there a couple of years ago.
Turkey and Saudi Arabia are also not looking too good.
There will at some time be a huge unified group of extremists states with
deep oil money pockets to push for a worldwide Jihad.
The only real way to slow it down would of been to spend all that
Iraq war money for a conversion over to hydrogen/other fuel base.
No cash cow, no terrorist funding.
The money that could of helped fix this is gone. Down the toilet for a lost cause.
Iraq history shows us they hate Western control. Most of their citizens would
prefer to have a ruthless dictator over a "Western" friendly government.
You can not force democracy. It must be wanted and earned by the people
that live there. I wish I had a better answer to the problem. We leave,
Iran will take over. We stay, more wasted lives and money.
And that time is coming. When it does, I hope that the political leaders we have in Washington, on both sides of the aisle have the vision to help guide us through, and out of, the extremely tough times that are coming.
As you mentioned, sucks2beme, you wish you had a better answer to the problem. So do I. So do a lot of folks, some of whom post on CP.
But that isn't our job; unfortunately, others who's job it is to come up with and provide solutions for difficult problems, aren't.
Our Executive and Legislative branches aren't the shining beacons on the hill that they should be and are needed in times like this, IMO.Sal Palooza -
The Democrat's, controlling the Congress have a 23% approval rating, lower than the President. Stick that in your hash pipe and smoke it. You want to know why? Simple, because they get absolutely nothing done except raising their salaries. Is that loud enough for you??? At least, when the Republicans had the votes they got some stuff done.
I've got some other news for you, every 2nd term President is a lame duck, DUH!!!
You know, I really hate to say this, but watch how fast that percentage for support of sticking to those **** changes when, not if, but when they kill more Americans on our soil. How fast people like you forget and how ignorant you are.
he wasnt voted president if you remember correctly
On election night, the news media twice declared a winner in the state of Florida prematurely based on exit polls,[1] before deciding the race was too close to call. It became clear that both candidates needed Florida's electoral votes to win the presidency. A month of controversial court challenges and recounts followed, until the Supreme Court of the United States in Bush v. Gore agreed 7-2 that there were Equal Protection issues in using different standards of counting ballots in different counties. It then halted further recounts by voting 5-4 to ban further recounts using alternate procedures. Bush was certified as the winner in Florida by a margin of 537 votes, thereby defeating Gore. It was the third time in American history that a candidate won the vote in the Electoral College without receiving a plurality of the popular vote; it also happened in the elections of 1876 and 1888. In 1824 John Quincy Adams received a majority in neither the popular vote nor the electoral college vote and was selected President by the U.S. House of Representatives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_20002 CHANNEL
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No doubt that Republicans are responsible for the "Electoral College". Pfff.
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Thank God people didnt think like this in 1941.
"Why are we attacking Germany? They never did anything to us. It was Japan that attacked us not Gernamy. All we're doing now is creating more ****."
I firmly believe that if we had to fight WWII right now, we would lose. We as a society dont have the guts to fight a war anymore. Just think, we lost over 3,000 soldiers on D-Day alone!!! 7,000+ casualties in ONE DAY! But we fought on and won.
We sure did! His name was Joe Kennedy, they called themselves isolationists. Sound familiar? He actually said Democracy was finished in Britain and most of Europe and that we should side with Germany. These statements were made in 1939 and cost him his political career. Most people forget he wanted to become President before he pushed his sons.Carl -
No doubt that Republicans are responsible for the "Electoral College". Pfff.
No doubt, considering the Electoral College was established in the Constitution (1787) while the Republican Party was established in 1854.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
No doubt that Republicans are responsible for the "Electoral College". Pfff.
Typical left winger...no facts....only talking points.
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And do you actually think for one moment that if another 911 type attack, that these #'s wouldn't change quickly back to the overwhelming support that was united in the days following 911? Even your opinion if it wiped out your entire family? ............or would you blame Bush?Silverti wrote:Hey dudes, I can take it! I fully understand that theres still 15% of this country that actually thinks we should be in this "war" and those numbers are still shrinking.
How in the hell do you put together that 911 and Iraq are not tied together? I am assuming in your mind that Afghanistan had no ties to 911 either? Or were we just trying to corner the poppy market?~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
They bombed the twin towers. That gives Bush the right to do whatever the heck he wants anywhere in the world for any cause what-so-ever. We get that.
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Americans, including the Democrats in congress (current Presidential nominees) who voted for it, fully supported this war when it started.
As soon as the war got hard and soldiers started to come back in caskets the reality of war (death) set in for the spineless American populace.
Ask the people who are actually on the ground fighting this war and they'll sing you a different song than our pathetic "news" media.
I got very good friends over there in the thick of things, including one of my best friends in the SEALS. Some of you **** **** spouting off all of your **** really chaffs my ****. Could care less if you're Republican or Democrats, just learn to keep your **** mouths shut when our friends and families are over there dying so you can have the freedom flap your **** gums about **** you know nothing about.
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The soldiers are doing a fabulous job and they deserve our highest respect.
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Americans, including the Democrats in congress (current Presidential nominees) who voted for it, fully supported this war when it started.
As soon as the war got hard and soldiers started to come back in caskets the reality of war (death) set in for the spineless American populace.
Ask the people who are actually on the ground fighting this war and they'll sing you a different song than our pathetic "news" media.
I got very good friends over there in the thick of things, including one of my best friends in the SEALS. Some of you **** **** spouting off all of your **** really chaffs my ****. Could care less if you're Republican or Democrats, just learn to keep your **** mouths shut when our friends and families are over there dying so you can have the freedom flap your **** gums about **** you know nothing about.
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Americans, including the Democrats in congress (current Presidential nominees) who voted for it, fully supported this war when it started.
As soon as the war got hard and soldiers started to come back in caskets the reality of war (death) set in for the spineless American populace.
Ask the people who are actually on the ground fighting this war and they'll sing you a different song than our pathetic "news" media.
I got very good friends over there in the thick of things, including one of my best friends in the SEALS. Some of you **** **** spouting off all of your **** really chaffs my ****. Could care less if you're Republican or Democrats, just learn to keep your **** mouths shut when our friends and families are over there dying so you can have the freedom flap your **** gums about **** you know nothing about.
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Yeah lets put our heads in the dirt and not question whats going on cause you have some friends in the army. Everyone has friends or relatives over there doesnt mean we want them there. The day you stop questioning why the war is still going the faster these SOBs can keep up the fighting for no reason other to make themselves more money2 CHANNEL
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As someone who has friends and family over there (at this point, I think most of us do), what in the world does their dying in Iraq have to do with guaranteeing our freedom of expression? Absolutely nothing in my opinion. This war is a mess and has been just that for the past few years.
The people I know that have been there do speak of the many positive things that are happening in Afghanistan and Iraq, but even they can't give a real crystal clear reason why we are there, nor do they have any idea how long we will be there. My guess is that our freedom of expression wouldn't enter into the equation. Helping disorganized, oppressed, economically challenged people seems more like something they would lean towards. Iraq is just one of many, many, countries that fit that description.Could care less if you're Republican or Democrats, just learn to keep your f-ing mouths shut when our friends and families are over there dying so you can have the freedom flap your f-ing gums about **** you know nothing about.
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he wasnt voted president if you remember correctly
On election night, the news media twice declared a winner in the state of Florida prematurely based on exit polls,[1] before deciding the race was too close to call. It became clear that both candidates needed Florida's electoral votes to win the presidency. A month of controversial court challenges and recounts followed, until the Supreme Court of the United States in Bush v. Gore agreed 7-2 that there were Equal Protection issues in using different standards of counting ballots in different counties. It then halted further recounts by voting 5-4 to ban further recounts using alternate procedures. Bush was certified as the winner in Florida by a margin of 537 votes, thereby defeating Gore. It was the third time in American history that a candidate won the vote in the Electoral College without receiving a plurality of the popular vote; it also happened in the elections of 1876 and 1888. In 1824 John Quincy Adams received a majority in neither the popular vote nor the electoral college vote and was selected President by the U.S. House of Representatives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000
Just how you tied that into my quoted comment is beyond me. :rolleyes:JimBRICK wrote:Yeah lets put our heads in the dirt and not question whats going on cause you have some friends in the army. Everyone has friends or relatives over there doesnt mean we want them there. The day you stop questioning why the war is still going the faster these SOBs can keep up the fighting for no reason other to make themselves more money
Our heads??? You don't even live in America. What friends or relatives do YOU have over there? Please stop posting about things you know nothing about.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Americans, including the Democrats in congress (current Presidential nominees) who voted for it, fully supported this war when it started.
As soon as the war got hard and soldiers started to come back in caskets the reality of war (death) set in for the spineless American populace.
Ask the people who are actually on the ground fighting this war and they'll sing you a different song than our pathetic "news" media.
BINGO!!!Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Americans, including the Democrats in congress (current Presidential nominees) who voted for it, fully supported this war when it started.
As soon as the war got hard and soldiers started to come back in caskets the reality of war (death) set in for the spineless American populace.
Ask the people who are actually on the ground fighting this war and they'll sing you a different song than our pathetic "news" media.
I got very good friends over there in the thick of things, including one of my best friends in the SEALS. Some of you **** **** spouting off all of your **** really chaffs my ****. Could care less if you're Republican or Democrats, just learn to keep your **** mouths shut when our friends and families are over there dying so you can have the freedom flap your **** gums about **** you know nothing about.
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Right on Bro
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Yeah lets put our heads in the dirt and not question whats going on cause you have some friends in the army. Everyone has friends or relatives over there doesnt mean we want them there. The day you stop questioning why the war is still going the faster these SOBs can keep up the fighting for no reason other to make themselves more money
You are going to sit up there in the north, and preach to us. When they stop fighting there they will be here. So you can say what you want I doubt they are coming for you.
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Last time I checked, Canada was our friend. Jimbrick is free to speak whatever he wants. Personally, I agree with 90+% of what he is saying. Or, you can just put your head in the dirt and not question what is going on around you because you are too ignorant to realize that Bush is one of the worst presidents this country has ever had.
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Canada does have troops in Afganistan fighting shoulder to shoulder the war on terror with our American and NATO friends.And yes we are on their hit list.Testing
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I've got a one way ticket to Paris reserved in your name Ronny.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Send it to me!
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Send me your address!Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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