lsi9 price

Shannon W.

F1nut,

If you owned a store you would get none of my $$$ so you would not have to show me the door because I would never even walked through it. Also if you don't think the mark up of 100%-300% isn't a rip off on AV equipment and Speakers, you need your head checked. So If I can pass along a good deal to a fellow man you can be assured that I will pass it along regardless of what people think!

Sounds to me your one of those people that have more money then the clap doctor that can roll $100 bills and light them on fire. But sooner or later you will run out of kindling and your fire will be no more. So then where will you be? I can tell you, you'll be say'n "Man I guess I should have looked for the deals also, so I could have saved a few bucks for that rainy day".

Just like my dad always said the Richer keep getting Richer,While the Poorer keep getting poorer.

Shannon "The avid bargain shopper because a penny saved is a penny earned!"

F1nut

Just what is wrong with making a profit? It happens to be the goal of every business, at least those that want to stay in business. For the record, I don't think the mark up on audio gear is a rip off. You, obviously, don't understand what goes into bringing a product to market, so until you do, pipe down.

I, like most folks, look for deals. However, to insult the local dealer by low balling them with some questionable web ad is just in bad taste. I don't think that should be hard to understand.

And just so you understand, because it's obvious that you don't, I do not have a problem with you helping out the guy. It's his attitude and total lack of understanding about how things work that gets my goat. One should never piss off their local dealer, you never know when you might need them. After what he tried, they will never take him seriously.

Oh yeah, your first sentence......as a matter of fact, your entire post was totally uncalled for.

Shannon W.

Mr. F1nut

Here it my Retort.

Profit is fine but price gouging "Or what ever you want to call it" is not. When a retailers cost on an item is $500 and they mark it up another $500 that is a RIP OFF. I could see making $100 or 2, but money for nothing is ridiculous and a outright smack in the face to the public.

As for bring it to the public? Well that is for the companies that made the product not the stores to try and recoup. So lets do some basic math. Company X spend (lets just say $1000000) for Research & development and then the finished product. It cost them $200 (in parts)to make "will just call it Project X" Project X, they sell it to a retailer for $500. So $500 - $200 = $300. Thats $300 in profit after manufacturing cost. So the Co. makes $300 per unit. It sells a million units. thats $300000000 in Profit the Co. made off there messily $1000000 and thats just off one item. lets say this Co. makes several different Items now were talking even more $$$. So now where should the retailer make as much money as the Company that put forth all the hard work and effort in R&D and distribution? So what do they do?They buy a few items at a time and sit on them a few day and then order more when there out. Is it the Consumers fault the retailer had to build a multi million dollar building to house there waist of life corporate pencil pushers? Is it the Consumers fault the retailer had to Build an even bigger Building for a Store so the Retailer Could put in there Sunday add that they have 100000 square feet of sales floor and are the biggest in the area? I say HELLO NO!

So let me ask you this, When you go and buy a car do you pay the sticker price or do you try and haggle alittle? I would almost bet you try and low ball the sales guy to get the best price. Get my point? So what makes the electronic stores any different? Nothing!

As for my entire post uncalled for, look back to your first post. This poor guy didn't ask for your Smart reply now did he? Nope. He was just looking for the best price on a pair of LSi9. Also just to let you know if a store wont price match off the net, sorry they don't get my money I'll save the sales tax ,buy off line and put the sales tax money on shipping. Now how is that BB (BB= BIG BOX) company going to pay for that over price building and those worthless suits in the corporate office now? BY,BY! I guess they just went Bankrupt due to there over price item that I just bought offline for $300 less and still got the factory warranty.

So man please don't try and lecture me on Business Ethics.

Also to the gentleman that started this tread, I apologize for hi-jacking it but its people like this that just absolutely astounds me by their ignorance.

Shannon "A.K.A having to call it like I see it"

F1nut

You view of business and capitalism in general is naive at best.

My smart reply was just that, smart. Had he taken heed, his local dealer wouldn't have called him a putz under their breath as he walked out the door.

You still aren't getting it. Your post was uncalled for because you were barking up the wrong tree....in the wrong forest.

You're done with me!?! :rolleyes: You never got started.

Shannon W.

Please.

NeilGabriel

The store's offer sounds a bit like a switch and bait. Get someone in the store, then claim you only have the floor model and get them to buy something else at regular price. When they won't sell Shannon the floor model at a fair price, he turns to walk out and volah, they have a new pair after all. It might all be legit....but this price is so much lower than anything I have seen...if it sounds too good to be true it might not be true. Who else has managed to get a pair from this place? Then again, maybe this store had made some incredible buy and passed on the savings...???...or had overstock...even though it seems out of stock.....???

jmwest1970

NeilGabriel wrote: »

The store's offer sounds a bit like a switch and bait. Get someone in the store, then claim you only have the floor model and get them to buy something else at regular price. ...

Bait and switch is typical at the American stores in Milwaukee. I've visited several times with intention to buy something they've advertised only to find they were "out of stock" and, as I'm heading to the door, the stock mysteriously is found. I avoid American like the plague, but if I could get LSI 9s for $500, I'd be there.

MSALLA

Shannon W. wrote: »

Please.

The gross markup is not all profit.
You start with the cost of reasearch and development of the product
Cost to build the prduct
Dealer has to pay a price based on those two costs plus the MFG.'s profit
Add shipping into his/her shop.
Cost of the building the store is located at.
cost of insurance
cost of payroll
Electricty in the shop.
Net profit margin is not as high as you think at the end of the day.

F1nut

Shannon W. wrote: »

Mr. F1nut

Here it my Retort.

Profit is fine but price gouging "Or what ever you want to call it" is not. When a retailers cost on an item is $500 and they mark it up another $500 that is a RIP OFF. I could see making $100 or 2, but money for nothing is ridiculous and a outright smack in the face to the public.

As for bring it to the public? Well that is for the companies that made the product not the stores to try and recoup. So lets do some basic math. Company X spend (lets just say $1000000) for Research & development and then the finished product. It cost them $200 (in parts)to make "will just call it Project X" Project X, they sell it to a retailer for $500. So $500 - $200 = $300. Thats $300 in profit after manufacturing cost. So the Co. makes $300 per unit. It sells a million units. thats $300000000 in Profit the Co. made off there messily $1000000 and thats just off one item. lets say this Co. makes several different Items now were talking even more $$$. So now where should the retailer make as much money as the Company that put forth all the hard work and effort in R&D and distribution? So what do they do?They buy a few items at a time and sit on them a few day and then order more when there out. Is it the Consumers fault the retailer had to build a multi million dollar building to house there waist of life corporate pencil pushers? Is it the Consumers fault the retailer had to Build an even bigger Building for a Store so the Retailer Could put in there Sunday add that they have 100000 square feet of sales floor and are the biggest in the area? I say HELLO NO!

So let me ask you this, When you go and buy a car do you pay the sticker price or do you try and haggle alittle? I would almost bet you try and low ball the sales guy to get the best price. Get my point? So what makes the electronic stores any different? Nothing!

As for my entire post uncalled for, look back to your first post. This poor guy didn't ask for your Smart reply now did he? Nope. He was just looking for the best price on a pair of LSi9. Also just to let you know if a store wont price match off the net, sorry they don't get my money I'll save the sales tax ,buy off line and put the sales tax money on shipping. Now how is that BB (BB= BIG BOX) company going to pay for that over price building and those worthless suits in the corporate office now? BY,BY! I guess they just went Bankrupt due to there over price item that I just bought offline for $300 less and still got the factory warranty.

So man please don't try and lecture me on Business Ethics.

Also to the gentleman that started this tread, I apologize for hi-jacking it but its people like this that just absolutely astounds me by their ignorance.

Shannon "A.K.A having to call it like I see it"

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

You know nothing about business and you've got serious mental issues. Good luck in life, you're going to need it.

Gaara

This store is authorized polk dealer? I am sure polk would still have them under warranty if you have the cards and serial numbers still on right?

PolkFan1,

You have no warranty because you are not the original purchaser, and polk only warranties the original purchaser.

Jared

Shannon W.

Guys,
my intent was not to get into a pissing match with this guys "F1nut". But was I was say'n that I don't feel that it is right for these BB store to jack the prices up so the consumer gets to pay for all of their luxuries.

Now As for the bait and switch, well that could be more to the truth then we know.

On the day that I bought my 9's, I was at this store my my mother and she was wanting a bigger Polk system "mains and center". So I seen they had a pair of Cherry RTi10 and the matching Cherry CSi5. I ask the guys "ONCE AGAIN F1NUT" if they would price match off the net (this was when onecall was having a blowout sale) the guy said yes and checked stock no cherry but plenty of ebony. At this time I tell this guy to check how long before they could get her the Cherry NIB. He gives me some lame @ss excuse and says 8 to 10 weeks at the soonest. I look at this guy and tell him he's CRAZY. Then I say in a Funny way "COME ON BOYS SELL US SOME SPEAKERS". I tell this poor sales guy to get the store manager and tell him were leaving with those Cherry 10 & csi5 but I'm only giving I think it was $500 a pair for them also and like $250 for the center channel "Do to them being used", plus in the store "Get this" they had a sign that said "if you spent over $499 you got a FREE Polk sub" and I also wanted that (But we settled for ebony in the sub). In the mean time my mother was looking a some leather furniture (About $4000 worth) and the guy comes over with the manager and says they will do it. CHA-CHING! So on that day not only did I get my LSi-9 for $500 nib, My mother got her RTi10,CSi5 with a free Polk sub for right around $850 with tax and get this with the Mains and center being used we also got them to throw in a 2 or three year extended warranty with them.. Bam.

So now tell me why a person can't walk into a BB story and Haggle on their price or price match off the net? Is there some common law that says they can't? No there isn't. I say if that store wont work with ya on the price or match an online store, then they really don't want your money that bad.

OK, you went to your local BB store and they told you not only no but HELL NO on online price mathing, I say turn around walk out, order online and wait the few days for it to get to your house, sit back and laugh when they arrive about all the money you saved due to ordering online and how you have now help in a small way to put a large and arrogant company a little closer to being bankrupt.

End of story.

Shannon "AKA the bargain shopper"

P.S. Not only did I do this on the story above, but thats is how i got my Sunfire Cinema Grand 7 Signature Amp from ultimate electronics. I told the sales guy that I would only pay $1900 out the door "that included tax. Guess what? He sold it to me and now it looks (BEAUTIFUL) in my rack at home. Not bad, a $4500 amp for $1900 with tax.

NeilGabriel

And I had been impressed that the forum was populated with grown ups. Looks like a couple people stayed up too late and need a nap. If you want to bicker how about in PMs?

Shannon W.

F1nut,

Face it man your a TOOL!

It seam that most "Not all" of your post in some way are arrogant and smart @ss and if you (and I quote) "I would take the socialist system in Paris over the free market system" I say box yourself up and ship yourself right on over there.

Don't worry I will not reply to your posts any longer.

Good day to you sir and sorry to the other member for this rant on this guy!

Shannon

Gaara

So now tell me why a person can't walk into a BB story and Haggle on their price or price match off the net? Is there some common law that says they can't? No there isn't. I say if that store wont work with ya on the price or match an online store, then they really don't want your money that bad.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-ex-prices28jun29,1,2736418.story?coll=la-headlines-business

Actually Shannon there is a law forbidding this.

Shannon W.

Ok let me get this straight. Manufacturers may set a fixed price for their products and forbid retailers from offering discount. But the retailers can give FAMILY discounts to their employees and to the employees family but but to the public? What a crock. as long as I live I will always haggle on price! To me this is just one more reason why BIG business runs this county and why our Government is going to Crap. But oh well.

Shannon

PolkFan1

F1nut wrote: »

I, like most folks, look for deals. However, to insult the local dealer by low balling them with some questionable web ad is just in bad taste. I don't think that should be hard to understand.

And just so you understand, because it's obvious that you don't, I do not have a problem with you helping out the guy. It's his attitude and total lack of understanding about how things work that gets my goat. One should never piss off their local dealer, you never know when you might need them. After what he tried, they will never take him seriously.

Oh yeah, your first sentence......as a matter of fact, your entire post was totally uncalled for.

Gee! All I wanted was to try and find a good deal on a pair of lsi9's...

Being a recent graduate, I do not have $800 plus tax to spend on a pair of speakers. Sorry I am not rich like you. Since when is it a sin to haggle with a store? The store said in there OWN WORDS "The lowest we can do is $800 but if you can find it CHEAPER ONLINE or anywhere else, PRINT IT OUT and WE WILL MATCH it. They could have kept part of their word and done me a favor by going 100 less than 800. Boy I hope I didn't piss off my retailer! He might come over and egg my car. I will just be like you F1nut...I will search for the deal marked up 10x what it cost to help the retailer stay in business :-)

NeilGabriel

Gaara wrote: »

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-ex-prices28jun29,1,2736418.story?coll=la-headlines-business

Actually Shannon there is a law forbidding this.

This is not actually a law. The court had said that such agreements were illegal under federal antitrust law. It has now said they are not. The issue is now whether the mfr will force retailers to accept established prices in order to sell the stuff. Prior to this court decision, the court had ruled that these minimum price requirements were illegal price fixing. That is why you so often see msrp (manufacturer's suggested retail price). However, manufacturers got around this by putting retailers in mfr marketing programs and if the retailer sold too low, they could not be in the ad campaign. I am sure there were other ways to get agreement as well....like only authorized dealers could give warranties. I didn't stay at a Holiday Express, but I did take Antitrst Law a few years ago. Some who worked in retail will know about this stuff.

Many brick and mortar stores won't even match their own Internet prices. For example, Wolf/Ritz camera. The b&m store has many more costs than an online seller.

F1nut

Shannon W. wrote: »

F1nut,

Face it man your a TOOL!

It seam that most "Not all" of your post in some way are arrogant and smart @ss and if you (and I quote) "I would take the socialist system in Paris over the free market system" I say box yourself up and ship yourself right on over there.

Don't worry I will not reply to your posts any longer.

Good day to you sir and sorry to the other member for this rant on this guy!

Shannon

That would be, You're a tool as in you are.

As for the quote that you've quoted, it's not mine.......LOL. Your reading comprehension is as bad as your business logic.

I can see that you and PolkFan1 are young lads, not well versed in the ways of the world yet. So, here's something to ponder while you wait for your balls to drop. If it wasn't for businesses making a profit and for those said businesses to have B&M stores to sell their items for them, which in turn need to make a profit, you wouldn't be able to buy jack ****. You're quite delusional if you think businesses should not have B&M stores and only sell online. It might work for some, but they are very much in the minority.





Neil, my apologies. The intention was to educate......it doesn't seem to have worked.

jmwest1970

C-c-c-can't we all just get along? - Rodney King

PolkFan1

I bow to you F1nut...

You are the smartest businessman alive! You are very rich and know exactly how business works. I'll send you your award plaque in the mail with your name on it ok? It is such a wonderful thing to know isn't it? Congratulation on your knowledge, what would the world do without you :-)

Haha it is so funny how this all started with me wanting to just get a deal on some lis9's...boy o boy.

MSALLA

Look, "F" all this. I found the lowest price at Z-Tech in LA, Calif. They are an authorized Polk dealer.You can find their info on Polk's web site and they will ship any place in the U.S......Very Good guys.

heiney9

Shannon W. wrote: »

Mr. F1nut

Here it my Retort.

Profit is fine but price gouging "Or what ever you want to call it" is not. When a retailers cost on an item is $500 and they mark it up another $500 that is a RIP OFF. I could see making $100 or 2, but money for nothing is ridiculous and a outright smack in the face to the public.

You should probably be bitching at Polk for setting the MSRP at $1149.95 :rolleyes: . As for cost to the retailer being $500 that's about 18-20% below their listed cost. So it's obvious to any Sherlock, which you don't happen to be, that they are selling below cost either to reduce inventory or raise capital. Happens all the time!

H9

cfrizz

Oh good Jesus! Just let the man get his LSI 9's at the lowest price he can get for them.

The cat fights that break out around this place over stuff like this is asinine!

daboyz

American does not have the greatest of reps but the only reason he was getting them at that price was inventory reduction,period. That said,god bless him for finagling a price, I did the same thing w/them when I got my 8's.
Every manager has a price he'll be willing to get rid of stuff at. Especially if the inventory is running high.
Excess inventory is bad for any retailer so he just happened to walk into the perfect situation. Luck.

scottnbnj

PolkFan1 wrote: »

... I am located in New Jersey. ...

i bought my lsi9's at iei a couple years ago at a decent price. i think a couple other folks here have done well there too.

i would call to see what they have in stock and ask when larry will be around. then, go and talk to him about pricing in person. there shouldn't be any need to go all third world street bazaar on him, he's a decent guy.

i grabbed this for you from the dealer locator on this site:
Interstate Electronics Inc
1394 Hwy 36 Airport Plaza
Hazlet NJ 07730 732-264-3900

good luck.

)

F1nut

anonymouse wrote: »

Well said. Some members on here need to keep the Exlax handy.

You'd be an expert on the Exlax/diarrhea thing, wouldn't you!?!