"melted" tweeter

byule
byule Posts: 9
edited June 2007 in Troubleshooting
So just the other day I took the grills off my RT800i speakers and inspected the tweeters. The shape of the domes look fine but on the bottom edges of both tweeter domes it looks almost like the tweeter started to belt. It is colored slightly brown and the dome does not sit properly like it originally did. I don't know much about blowing speakers but I was wondering if anybody know what causes this. Both of the speakers seem to have this damage but as far as I can tell the tweeters still sound good. Any info on this would be appreciated.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited June 2007
    Under powering your speakers can cause this. When an amp clips it sends a burst of juice through your speakers, and the tweeters typically are what gets fried. Check your other post;)

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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,776
    edited June 2007
    Usually, with a blown tweeter, the voice coil will sieze, with no visible damage to the dome.

    Can you post a pic?
  • Janne
    Janne Posts: 139
    edited June 2007
    I have also blown a fair amount of tweeters in my 1.2TLS. Reason has always been not enough power in the amp. I am not sure how how your tweeters are built but if your tweeters has any similarity to the SL3000 tweeters it looks like there is a damage to the coil that surrounds the dome at the base. My tweeters did also not give up completely when they where damaged. As you seem to have damaged both maybe you dont hear the difference so clearly.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,572
    edited June 2007
    Since the area in question is at the bottom of both tweeters and you say they both still sound ok, I think what you are seeing may be the build up of ferromagnetic fluid. This is a fluid used to help keep the voice coil from overheating. If you can, rotate the position of the tweeters 180 degrees. This will allow the fluid to flow out evenly again.

    On the other hand, they could be cooked. What are you using for power and how high have you had the volume level?
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  • byule
    byule Posts: 9
    edited June 2007
    First i'd like to say thanks for the replies, sorry i couldn't reply sooner i've been out of town.

    The speakers in question use to be my dad's so i'm not exactly sure what he was driving them with but I know it was a pretty high end Marantz receiver with more than enough power to push them. As for listening level I cannot accurately comment on that. I've attached a pic of one of the tweeters.


    Thanks again for the help
    Ben

    tweeter.jpg
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited June 2007
    What the hell? They do look melted. That's a new one for me.:confused:

    Did you purchase the speakers used? It almost looks like someone has tinkered with them at some point.
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  • rskarvan
    rskarvan Posts: 2,374
    edited June 2007
    They got hot. They were probably smoking and you didn't notice it. Its always a scarey thing when there is smoke coming from your tweeter.

    Anyway, the tweeter is either toast or very close to becoming toast.
    In any event, you will have to replace it and BE MORE CAREFUL NEXT TIME!
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,572
    edited June 2007
    Agreed, it's toast!

    BTW, no such thing as an high end receiver.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited June 2007
    That's a given, but what caused it? I have never blown a tweet. I have, however, played at performance levels for 8 hour [or more] periods at twice+ the recommended wattage and I have yet to experience what happened to this tweeter.

    ???
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited June 2007
    Repeated clipping?
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited June 2007
    treitz3 wrote: »
    That's a given, but what caused it? I have never blown a tweet. I have, however, played at performance levels for 8 hour [or more] periods at twice+ the recommended wattage and I have yet to experience what happened to this tweeter.

    ???

    What are you driving yours with?
    Did you turn it up till you could hear it distorting?
    Lots of CLEAN power is a good thing;)
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  • rskarvan
    rskarvan Posts: 2,374
    edited June 2007
    treitz3 wrote: »
    That's a given, but what caused it? I have never blown a tweet. I have, however, played at performance levels for 8 hour [or more] periods at twice+ the recommended wattage and I have yet to experience what happened to this tweeter.

    ???

    I've experienced this using a Yammi receiver. Its not a good thing.
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited June 2007
    ben62670 wrote:
    What are you driving yours with?
    Currently a Carver M-500t. Too many to remember.
    ben62670 wrote:
    Did you turn it up till you could hear it distorting?
    Generally no. I say generally because I am always testing the limits of whatever rig I am running at the time, and as soon as I hear distortion, I turn it down because it drives the living **** out of me to hear distortion of any kind. Other than that, no.
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  • rskarvan
    rskarvan Posts: 2,374
    edited June 2007
    My SL3000's burned up without a hint of distortion. It was Pink Floyd's Time (alarm clocks and chimes) that caused them to melt. I looked at the speaker and smoke was coming out the grill. Stinky too. Yammi receiver was set at about 12 o'clock. Not a hint of distortion. Polyswitches were useless.
  • byule
    byule Posts: 9
    edited June 2007
    Thanks for the help guys, you've been really helpful.