wires

sophie

can i get some wires that will work ok for $60 i need wires to go from my cdp to my pre to my amp and them speaker wires. i have a set of moniter 10B's but i dont know what should be on the end of the wire. naners or spades or just have them bare. everyone sais something different when it comes to wires and i dont know what to use. bjc or signal cables or vampire wire...everyone has there own idea what is the best budjet wire can someone help me with this?

dorokusai

Just pick up some generic speaker wire and RCA's from Home Depot. That will get you connected and worry about the other stuff later.

scottdwagner

www.bluejeanscable.com
Or even less expensive: www.monoprice.com
Or just go down to Best Buy and have a highly articulate discussion with the salesperson about the benefits and nuances of their various Monster Cable offerings.

John K.

Sophie, the total price would depend on the lengths and numbers of wires that you need, but typically you should spend less than $60 for everything. Ditto Mark's suggestion on just picking up speaker wire locally from Home Depot(or Lowes), and the MonoPrice link that Scott gave is a source for connecting cables as good as any and at very reasonable prices.

F1nut

but typically you should spend less than $60 for everything.

What a load of crap. Spend whatever you want or can afford to, whether it be more or less.

As for termination, use whatever you feel comfortable with. The only possible issue with bare wire is oxidation, so check the ends once a year or so if you go that route.

daboyz

I'm w/Scott on this one, BJC and Monoprice are excellent suggestions. Using both as a part of my system now.

ben62670

Unterminated gets a bad rep. The less terminals the better. If your binding post handle the wire correctly I would concentrate on better wire for now, and add terminals later. Ebay has cheap Audio quest IC cables that work well. Also check out PBJ's. Canary makes a good speaker cable(star quad), and I am a fan of solid wire IC's. Copper is fine. I have been trying a lot of DIY IC's. I can't afford to swap finished cables like some others here. Take your time. Ask lots of questions when you see something you are interested in.

Happy hunting
Ben
PS John K is a quack!

Bill Ayotte

I have a big box of random-**** cables in a box in my closet....If I broke this down correct, you need a set of RCAs for CDP-pre, Pre-Amp, then a pair of speaker cables? most of it is acoustic research or monster, and the speaker wire is monster..I'll see what I can dig up....How long do they need to be?

ben62670

Good looking out Bill

reeltrouble1

sophie wrote: »

can i get some wires that will work ok for $60 i need wires to go from my cdp to my pre to my amp and them speaker wires. i have a set of moniter 10B's but i dont know what should be on the end of the wire. naners or spades or just have them bare. everyone sais something different when it comes to wires and i dont know what to use. bjc or signal cables or vampire wire...everyone has there own idea what is the best budjet wire can someone help me with this?

Happy to help you. The key is you are already thinking about this, so are you going to be content going to radio shack and getting some of their wires? If so then do it, be happy and enjoy your system and the music.

If you think the little voices are going to nag at you about some better quality then Signal Cable is the place I would start, discount for Club Polk member, the owner has supported our Club and he makes a nice wire for reasonable cost, gives a money back guarantee if your not happy or do not hear an improvement in your system.

As noted k knows nothing of audio and preys upon the unsuspecting with the same blah blah blah, he is the Anti Hi-Fi Audio Insurgent.

RT1

dorokusai

Just because someone doesn't believe in cable theory, doesn't make them a quack. There are multiple members on this board that don't politic about cables or just don't care about the argument.

I am of the latter because its a worthless argument and I could care less about the "mission" to change opinion. The data, or lack thereof, is completely open to interpretation via the internet. Buy cheap, upgrade with your own brain.

I enjoy listening to music, don't you? The rest is easy.

EDIT: I think you hit on some valid points RT1, but why the JohnK rhetoric? Did you ever get to know someone you didn't agree with in your life? You might find it interesting.

ben62670

dorokusai wrote: »

Just because someone doesn't believe in cable theory, doesn't make them a quack. There are multiple members on this board that don't politic about cables or just don't care about the argument.

I am of the latter because its a worthless argument and I could care less about the "mission" to change opinion. The data, or lack thereof, is completely open to interpretation via the internet. Buy cheap, upgrade with your own brain.

I enjoy listening to music, don't you? The rest is easy.

I totally agreed with John K in the being. I thought that if the cable was capable of transmitting full currant that they were sufficient. I insulted rich dummies that I thought were "buying false hype(and there is a lot out there))I had to post later "I hate having to eat my own words". They have made a big difference in my system that non critical listens have noticed large improvements in SQ with better wires. This doesn't mean shop by price tags, but do some research, and take the time to see what will work with an individuals system.;)
Ben

reeltrouble1

Yes, I have.

You post what you want I will post what I want. What do you know of who I may of gotten to know Doro, you want to start to me? You once posted you are not nice, you have no idea. This guy spews rheotoric which you know is BS and you yourself have many times stated so. He has stated many times others who hear differences in wire are delusional. He gives the unkown bad advice.

I am RT1 the Anti-Anti Hi-Fi Audio Insurgent, you can get over it or not.

RT1

dorokusai

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

Yes, I have.

You post what you want I will post what I want. What do you know of who I may of gotten to know Doro, you want to start to me? You once posted you are not nice, you have no idea. This guy spews rheotoric which you know is BS and you yourself have many times stated so. He has stated many times others who hear differences in wire are delusional. He gives the unkown bad advice.

I am RT1 the Anti-Anti Hi-Fi Audio Insurgent, you can get over it or not.

RT1

Noone is saying you can't post what you want Mr. Sensitive. I'm not really interested in who you've gotten to know, that's for you, not me. He spews as much rhetoric as the next guy, big deal. Make a point, post a fact, discuss the subject and leave the attacks out of it. I've definetly been a hater of JohnK at some point but then I took a step back and wondered why.....and there's no real reason. The forum dynamic in regards to cable theory here is no different then the 15 that I frequent, same old story, same old plotline and same old result.

Maybe we are delusional to believe in cables, who cares? Do you really think I'm that far removed from the argument? Duh! I own and believe in MIT but you don't hear me pining every other week about this or that. Those that have an open mind will generate their own opinion based on what the members post, bottom line. I'm willing to bet we get more believers than not but in the end who cares, as it certainly doesn't line my pockets.

Relax, enjoy that hardcore stuff your pushing and ride the wave, Jesus Christ.

dorokusai

ben62670 wrote: »

I totally agreed with John K in the being. I thought that if the cable was capable of transmitting full currant that they were sufficient. I insulted rich dummies that I thought were "buying false hype(and there is a lot out there))I had to post later "I hate having to eat my own words". They have made a big difference in my system that non critical listens have noticed large improvements in SQ with better wires. This doesn't mean shop by price tags, but do some research, and take the time to see what will work with an individuals system.;)
Ben

See....a great response from someone who found a difference. Great, enjoy what you're rocking Ben!

I also have a price point for my hobby for things like cables and it hasn't changed since F1Nut turned me onto MIT. I don't know why this hobby turns into something so difficult for folks but I've yet to not enjoy myself since getting back in the saddle.

ben62670

Oh no I have seen where this is heading. Maybe we should have a poll with peoples opinions on cables that have actually tried different cables with decent equipment. This way we can point to it for further reference, and not get into these these things so much. I now have a pile of IC's, and speaker wire that I will not use in my system. I would have been better off if I listens to the rich dummies in the first place;)

reeltrouble1

ok I get your point, see that is what he wants the seniors fighting with each other. he was asked a question point blank by Ken and refused as usual to respond, he is a hawker Mark. There are plenty of folks here unconvinced about wire, no problem, but I certainly do not call them delusional.

good enough. but as far as k goes RT1 is quite clear about it, however, I do appreciate that you understand how sensitive I am..........I even use Oil of Olay to keep those special places. from chaffing............

Edit--Ben we had a whole cable program, guess who ran it???

RT1

dorokusai

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

ok I get your point, see that is what he wants the seniors fighting with each other. he was asked a question point blank by Ken and refused as usual to respond, he is a hawker Mark. There are plenty of folks here unconvinced about wire, no problem, but I certainly do not call them delusional.

good enough. but as far as k goes RT1 is quite clear about it, however, I do appreciate that you understand how sensitive I am..........I even use Oil of Olay to keep those special places. from chaffing............

Edit--Ben we had a whole cable program, guess who ran it???

RT1

I'm well aware of who ran it, if you're alluding to something, as it was out of my own pocket. Or am I off-base?

reeltrouble1

It was mean't as a compliment.

We dont really need a poll Ben, Doro and I agree on many things, especially wire, we use the identical interconnects.

RT1

McCelery

Phoenix or Streetwires 12g and a 20 pack of GLS bananas!!

I don't espouse the best, but I know what's cheap and makes me happy

Bill Ayotte

Sophie, PM me with the lengths you need....I'll hook you up cheap, I'm cleaning house.

ben62670

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

It was meant as a compliment.

We dont really need a poll Ben, Doro and I agree on many things, especially wire, we use the identical interconnects.

RT1

I wasn't trying to be a smart ****. I was thinking a poll would be helpful for the 2-3 times a week we get a cable question. I basically know you guys position on cables. This poor horse has been kicked into a slushy in a hide.:eek:

Polkitup2

Sophie,

As you can see there are two camps in the, "do cables matter debate". One side believes that there is no discernable difference in sound quality between inexpensive utilitarian cables and higher priced boutique cables. The other camp believes that speaker cables and interconnects play a role in the sound quality of their system and enjoy experimenting with different cable options.

Since you are just starting out and have defined your budget of $60, I think as many of the other members have stated, there are plenty of cabling options in your price range that will work just fine. As you progress in this hobby you may want to experiment with other cabling options and decide for yourself which camp you belong to.

dorokusai

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

Doro and I agree on many things, especially wire, we use the identical interconnects.

RT1

Agreed.

steveinaz

The important thing is to buy a quality, well built, well terminated cable that meets proper specifications; ie, 75ohm, etc. JohnK is entitled to his opinion, no? If we smash other's opinions, doesn't our credibility suffer as being objective?

John, this goes for you as well. You are just as dogmatic in your views as your opponents---is it so hard to accept the possibility that some may hear differences in cables that you cannot?

As Mark said, upgrades can come later--if you so desire. It's not that critical of a thing.

reeltrouble1

waaaaaaa......No Sona, nobody here gets kickbacks from Signal, he is someone who has supported our club, builds a nice quality wire for resonable prices and maintains great business practices and ethics.

Of course he is a business man and has provided many free samples and give aways at our Club Events for his own reasons. I have used his wire for quite a while and find it to be excellent, so when someone asks about wire I give this company my full support.

The hot key thing is a great idea.......thanks.:D

RT1

ben62670

steveinaz wrote: »

John, this goes for you as well. You are just as dogmatic in your views as your opponents---is it so hard to accept the possibility that some may hear differences in cables that you cannot?
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Steve this is the part of the post that is the reason why a lot of people pick on John K. He tries to tell everyone they can't hear what they hear.
I think it is bad advice being given out. I would have never tried different cables if I wasn't open minded. F1, and a couple others kicked me around enough(rather gently) to open my mind(it was as closed as John K's), but I found for $25 a pair of PBJ's. I tried them. It made a small difference. Then Venom came over with some Star Quad AQ's that blew me away. I knew the difference before I even stepped away from the receiver. What the problem is if new people haven't checked into better cables they can go on forever not reaching near the potential of their speakers; spending lots of money on amps, Pre's, and such when a simple cable upgrade can be all they need.

Ben

seeclear

dorokusai wrote: »

I own and believe in MIT but you don't hear me pining every other week about this or that. .

What is the MIT of which you speak?

EDIT--> nevermind, google is a wonderful thing!!

sophie

i realize that $60 isn't going to get me much but i want the best sound i can get with the money i have. should i spend it on nice speaker wires and use some crappy rca's i have. or should i get nice rca's and use the cheep rat shack wire i have somewhere around here? and i dont know about lenghts yet i still got to get some of theis crap (furniture) out of my room so i have room for everything.

sophie

just found it and it is only 16 gauge, will that be thick enuf or will i want something like 10?

Nisqually Dave

They are all wrong what you really should do is go wireless then there is no chance that one wire is better than anouther