I need an education in CDP

JimBRICK
JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
edited June 2007 in Electronics
Ok guys I need to know.

#1 what I am looking for in a good cdp.
#2 what makes a good cdp and a not so good cdp
#3 what are the better names
#4 If I go tube cdp, do I need tubes in the other elctronics to hear the difference?

thanks for any info.

Jim
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,249
    edited June 2007
    #1 sound
    #2 sound, sound
    #3 What is your price range? Sony, Rega, Jolida and many more
    #4 no
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited June 2007
    I like solid build. I have never seen a cheap CD player built solid. It's a good indicator.

    Tons of brands; Cambridge, Rotel, Music Hall, Shanling, Cary, Musical Fidelity, Jolida, Sony, Rega, yada, yada, yada....
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited June 2007
    steveinaz wrote: »
    I like solid build. I have never seen a cheap CD player built solid. It's a good indicator.

    Tons of brands; Cambridge, Rotel, Music Hall, Shanling, Cary, Musical Fidelity, Jolida, Sony, Rega, yada, yada, yada....

    NAD is always a good choice.
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited June 2007
    Bryston will be introducing their first player the BCD1 very soon.http://www.bryston.ca/pdfs/07/BCD-1CD.pdf.
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  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited June 2007
    what about the pioneer elite models?
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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited June 2007
    How much are you looking to spend and what do you have now?

    You could always forgo adding a new CDP and go with a new DAC and use the current unit as a transport.

    As for the Elites I have no experience with the cd players but have had a 47ai for about 4 years now. It was there top of the line DVD player when I purchased it and it is a great unit. Sound quality wise it is good but was beaten by my Jolida, and also by a Squeezebox with a cheap NOS DAC.

    There is also the squeezebox route which I know at least a few members here embrace the main one of the top of my head being Joey_V.

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  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited June 2007
    my current nakamichi cannot use a DAC cause I have no digital outputs. It only 1 set of analog outputs :) This thing is a tank and I love it. the model number is CDP-2A. it a single disc with the green lights and readers on the front. I got it for 30 bucks and its in MINT condition.

    I'm using the Pioneer Elite A35-R integrated amp. So I figured I'd follow suit with a matching cdp. Hooked into the mirage sm-1 vintage speakers I got.

    This is for the budget 2 channel rig I put together that sound amazing and surprised the hell outta me.

    120 for the pioneer, 30 for the nak, 25 for my yamaha phono and 30 for the mirages you cant go wrong :)


    I found the nak on ebay

    http://cgi.ebay.ca/Vintage-Nakamichi-Compact-Disc-Player-CDP-2A-NR_W0QQitemZ290126010004QQihZ019QQcategoryZ3284QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    is this a good player?
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  • jtgranby
    jtgranby Posts: 887
    edited June 2007
    JimBRICK wrote: »
    my current nakamichi cannot use a DAC cause I have no digital outputs. It only 1 set of analog outputs :) This thing is a tank and I love it. the model number is CDP-2A. it a single disc with the green lights and readers on the front. I got it for 30 bucks and its in MINT condition.

    I'm using the Pioneer Elite A35-R integrated amp. So I figured I'd follow suit with a matching cdp. Hooked into the mirage sm-1 vintage speakers I got.

    This is for the budget 2 channel rig I put together that sound amazing and surprised the hell outta me.

    120 for the pioneer, 30 for the nak, 25 for my yamaha phono and 30 for the mirages you cant go wrong :)


    I found the nak on ebay

    http://cgi.ebay.ca/Vintage-Nakamichi-Compact-Disc-Player-CDP-2A-NR_W0QQitemZ290126010004QQihZ019QQcategoryZ3284QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    is this a good player?

    Never heard it but Steve listed some great choices. What is your budget?
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited June 2007
    Careful with a tube CDP with a solid state preamp. I had two really good tube CDPs in my rig and my Spectral pre hated both of them. It just was bad synergy. The only way to find out is to hooked it up to your rig and listen for a good week.
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  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited June 2007
    my budget right now I dont want to spend more than 150 bucks. I want to keep this a budget system
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited June 2007
    Oppo DV 970HD; for $150 you can't miss with this.
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  • ESavinon
    ESavinon Posts: 3,066
    edited June 2007
    I have a pioneer elite pd-65. It's a great sounding cd player that's built like a tank.
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  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited June 2007
    ESAVINON wrote: »
    I have a pioneer elite pd-65. It's a great sounding cd player that's built like a tank.



    I was jsut reading about that player it looks wild
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited June 2007
    steveinaz wrote: »
    Tons of brands; Cambridge, Rotel, Music Hall, Shanling, Cary, Musical Fidelity, Jolida, Sony, Rega, yada, yada, yada....


    my favorite CDP is the yada, yada, yada one. :p :rolleyes:
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited June 2007
    Keep the Nakamichi if you like it. My ex had a Nakamichi OMS-2??? I think? It was a very smooth sounding player, but also very fussy about scratches/imperfections. Terrible error-correction circuit.

    IMO, the best "econo-CDP's" are the less expensive Sony's, hands down. I could put a $129 Sony in my system tommorrow, and be fine with it.
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  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited June 2007
    I'm thnking about the sony in the fm
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited June 2007
    JimBRICK wrote: »
    I'm thnking about the sony in the fm

    Have you looked at the Oppo reviews? That sounds like a strong choice for your budget?
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited June 2007
    Sony's have real good rythm/pace. They make the music enjoyable. The down side is that the cheaper models can sound a little brittle in the high's at loud volumes. They're great players.
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  • just_visiting
    just_visiting Posts: 40
    edited June 2007
    I love my Pioneer Elite PD-59 player. I also have other ones but my Pio Elite still sounds the best and I love the stable platter mechanism.
    Display: Sony XBR3 46"
    Pre/Pro: Marantz AV7005
    Amplifiers: Anthem MCA20 / Anthem MCA30
    CD: Pioneer Elite PD59 / Sony XA20ES / Denon 755AE
    DVD: Denon 3930CI
    BD: Pioneer Elite 05FD
    Sat: Bell TV 9241HD
    Game: Sony PS3 60GB
    Media Streamer: WDTV Live Hub
    Power Console: Panamax 5300PM
    Speakers: Paradigm Reference Studio v.3
    Subwoofer: SVS 16-46PC+

    Preamp: Parasound P3
    Amplifier: BAT VK60 Tube
    Sacd: Sony 777ES
    Power Console: Ultralink PGX-500
    Speakers: Paradigm Reference Studio 20 v.5
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited June 2007
    Keep the Nak I'd bet most $150 players will sound worse and many much worse. I've owned many Nak cdp's (still have one) and for their day they were outstanding and built like brick sh*thouses. Sure the technology is better today but not in a budget cdp. Use the Nak until it dies. I wish my OMS 4A still worked to use in my second system.

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited June 2007
    steveinaz wrote: »
    Keep the Nakamichi if you like it. My ex had a Nakamichi OMS-2??? I think? It was a very smooth sounding player, but also very fussy about scratches/imperfections. Terrible error-correction circuit.

    Sounds like it may have an issue. All the Naks I sold and owned from that era had great error correction. They used the latest Sony derived optics and e/c back then. Although many older players the Nak's included don't like cdr's and will either show an error in the display or skip like a ****.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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