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VR3
VR3 Posts: 28,641
edited June 2007 in Car Audio & Electronics
I want to get a small setup for my truck - I've finally admitted to myself that this is my ride for the next few years... soo...

Ok..

I want to spend about $150 on the speakers (one pair)
I have an ID8 or w/e subwoofer which I will utilize....
A 4 channel amp that can perhaps have two of its channels bridged to run the sub... the other 2 for the fronts...

And a aftermarket HU - I picked out a Kenwood Excelon because it is black. You know why this important? Because the place it will be mounted...is.. you guessed it... black.

HAHAHHAHA

Heres the HU I picked out -

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-JT6heCa4gbL/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=300&tab=morephotos&pi=1&i=113KDCX491&display=L#Tab

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-pX3as0QYqZQ/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=400&I=107DB651S

Speakers ^^

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-pX3as0QYqZQ/cgi-bin/Prodview.asp?readmore=true&g=120&I=500MRPF250#Tab

Amp ^^

And I have the Image Dynamics ID8

Any thoughts? Thanks

Wanted to keep it around 600ish smackers + installation. Most likely will go through Crutchfield.
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited June 2007
    Trey,
    I have that Alpine amp in my car.. nice looking amp. but it lacks a bit of power.. get the next level up Alpine amp instead.. I think it's like 75x4 for only like $100 more. :)
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2007
    Check out www.cardomain.com/shop as well, they usually have better prices than crutchfield. Are you planning on installing it yourself?
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited June 2007
    Trey,

    Why don't you go with the Polk MMC650 speakers? I heard they sound much better than the db series... much more bang for the buck.

    Anyways, what happened to the Toyota Yaris plans?
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,820
    edited June 2007
    I think that's a decent setup you got for yourself there. I think I would go with a more powerful amp like dangerboy already said. It'll give you moore oomph from the sub and the extra power you would need to overcome road noise. Pickups are noisy. Otherwise, that ID8 sub will match up to those DB651's well.

    Look at Sounddomain too. They have better prices than Crutchfield and more variety. I don't think they carry Alpine anymore though. They have Kenwood eXcelon amps though.
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,820
    edited June 2007
    Hey, here you go! This one is a nice amp!

    http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=13124

    Hifonics Nemesis! It's an old one but probably New/Old Stock. Those nemesis amps though, they have the Zeus series guts but none of the bells and whistles. They tend to be a tad underrated but have plenty of amperage to give you tons of head room. I have a friend with a Nemesis NX750D running full tilt at a 2-ohm load for 3-4 years now without a single problem. Very nice amps at very nice prices!

    Also, if you are on a budget, I love these Profiles! Solid, reliable power for peanuts. Very nice specs too. Solid performers! I have 3 Profile California series amps still running and they are at least 10 years old.

    60W x 4
    http://www.crutchfield.com/S-IqvYvR3Afdn/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=120&I=489AP740

    80W x 4
    http://www.crutchfield.com/S-IqvYvR3Afdn/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=120&I=489AP1040

    and a Baja series which is a California amp without all the flash:

    80W x 4
    http://www.crutchfield.com/S-IqvYvR3Afdn/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=120&I=489HA1040

    All Profile amps are 2 ohm stable and capable of 3-way operation, event the stereo amps. however, you need a special crossover network for a stereo amp. Those are all 4-channel amps.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited June 2007
    Mostly good choices there, for sure.

    I can go with that HU. Good solid brand, solid performance; nothing fancy and nothing astonishing, but it looks nice and has everything you need.

    I can't complain about the speakers, either. If you're against components and don't want to spend a little more for the MOMO series, you've picked out a good pair.

    Argh. How could you do so good on the first two choices (and sub, too), and then do that with the amp? Like everyone else has said, you'll need more power. 50x4 - 75x4 would be nice.

    I'm sure jstas picked out some nice amps, so I'll refrain from offering any suggestions. However, I'm assuming you'll need an amp that can be bridged at 2ohms for your sub, and that should severely limit your possibilities (as far as I can tell, none of the amps jstas linked can be bridged at 2ohms).

    Anyhoo, good luck with the system, and I'm glad you've finally seen the light and decided to hold on to the truck for a little while longer.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited June 2007
    I agree. You might need more power for the amp, depends on your listening levels though.

    Also is there any reason you can't go with the MOMO series? Heard them at CES, and I noted a big jump in performance for not much $$ over the db series.

    So - you're holding on to the truck for 3 years or so? When you do decide to sell the truck, can you contact me?
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited June 2007
    Check out Cardomain.com. Theyre having a huge sale on Polk speakers. I dont know if theyll fit your ride but the MMC650's can be had for $145!! Thats a great deal and will sound much better than the DB's.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited June 2007
    Trey, are you also looking for a mostly "stock-fit" installation? Because of the black on black thing...

    If so I would recommend using your factory speaker grilles (to prevent theft) and also hide the amp in a location that is not easily seen.

    Good luck and enjoy!
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,820
    edited June 2007
    audiobliss wrote: »
    I'm sure jstas picked out some nice amps, so I'll refrain from offering any suggestions. However, I'm assuming you'll need an amp that can be bridged at 2ohms for your sub, and that should severely limit your possibilities (as far as I can tell, none of the amps jstas linked can be bridged at 2ohms).

    If that is the case, forget the 4 channel and go with a 2 channel amp and a D-class amp.

    Here are 4 solid performers that won't break your budget.

    2 channel amps

    http://www.crutchfield.com/S-VJXYq2twGZa/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=120&I=489AP600

    http://www.crutchfield.com/S-VJXYq2twGZa/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=120&I=489AP400

    Mono Sub Amps

    http://www.crutchfield.com/S-VJXYq2twGZa/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=120&I=489AP1000M

    http://www.crutchfield.com/S-VJXYq2twGZa/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=120&I=489AP700M


    Grab one of the two channels and one of the monos and you won't need more than 8 guage amp wire. It's not going to draw a crazy amount, it'll drive the speakers you have and what you are looking without an issue and those amps aren't physically gigantic either so you hide them anywhere.

    They will handle the MOMO Carbon series speakers well enough too so no worries there either.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,641
    edited June 2007
    Ill add the 75 watt amp to the list.

    600 includes the installation cost - I figure around 200.

    Keeping stock speaker grills, the works. I dont want anything except the Headunit visible - which I will put in the dash when I am gone...

    Thanks so far :)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,641
    edited June 2007
    FWIW - I wired my ID8 to an 8 ohm load.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited June 2007
    Well, that's not good, either. Now you're going to need a MONSTER of a mono amp so it can put out enough power into 8ohms.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2007
    Is the ID8 a dual 4 ohm speaker or? This isnt home audio, 8 ohm is not where you want to be.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited June 2007
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    FWIW - I wired my ID8 to an 8 ohm load.

    Can you make that a 4 ohm instead? Would work better for this application.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,641
    edited June 2007
    Can I just use 1 4 ohm coil?
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,820
    edited June 2007
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Can I just use 1 4 ohm coil?

    Your performance would fall through the floor because you'd have one coil hauling around the weight of two.

    Dude, just rewire the sub for a 2-ohm load, get the mono D-class amp for the sub and call it a day. If you go with the Profile amps I listed, you will have plenty of performance for not alot of dough.

    We all started small. My first system was a Kenwood KRC-202 tape deck with CD changer controls (no CD changer though), a pair of 4 inch Polk EX402's running off the deck, a pair of Kicker Impulse 460i 4x6's in the doors and two Kwneood W3000 8 inch subs being pushed by a Profile California Series AP600. Be glad that the market is much more user friendly now. Nothing wrong with getting a budget system the first time around. Go with what you can afford. You already have a good eye for matching components. You don't need high dollar stuff to sound good.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2007
    If its a dual 4 ohm coil, just hook up each coil to its own channel...you dont have to buy another amp.
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,820
    edited June 2007
    He'd have to wire in another set of terminals on the sub box.
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    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2007
    Hes fairly good at making boxes, I think he can handle it;)
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    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited June 2007
    exalted512 wrote: »
    Hes fairly good at making boxes, I think he can handle it;)
    -Cody

    Seen some of his speaker boxes before. I'd say they were some of the best boxes I've seen using leftover parts...
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited June 2007
    Just wire it for a 2ohm load, buy two amps, and call it a day...

    trust me...you'll thank us later...
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    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited June 2007
    audiobliss wrote: »
    Just wire it for a 2ohm load, buy two amps, and call it a day...

    trust me...you'll thank us later...

    Good advice. I would do that too if I had a truck like Sid's.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2007
    audiobliss wrote: »
    Just wire it for a 2ohm load, buy two amps, and call it a day...

    trust me...you'll thank us later...

    Remind me, how many amps do you have powering your subs and speakers?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,641
    edited June 2007
    I may sell the sub to a guy and get something different. Will keep ya posted.
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    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited June 2007
    exalted512 wrote: »
    Remind me, how many amps do you have powering your subs and speakers?
    -Cody
    I'm not running any subs. Just a 75x4 on my components.
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,663
    edited June 2007
    Like the headunit but why not the 791,or 891 series Kenwood Excelon? I also agree with more amp power.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited June 2007
    Trey,

    I think you may get away with not having any subs. Depends on the kind of music you listen to though. And your personal preferences...
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited June 2007
    His personal preference?

    He's gotta have a sub.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited June 2007
    audiobliss wrote: »
    His personal preference?

    He's gotta have a sub.

    Right. I forgot the time when I heard his SVS sub cranked up +20db hot.
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