If you had to do it all over again...

fatchowmein
fatchowmein Posts: 2,637
edited June 2007 in Electronics
I'm guessing there are alot of people who were in my shoes when starting out in this hobby with their first receiver with pre-outs. Next came an amp followed by replacing the receiver with a pre-amp.

Looking back, would you have looked for the pre-amp of your heart's desire and purchased the amp with it in mind or would you have looked for an amp first and not worry about the pre until later, giving more importance to mating the amp to your speaker?

I hope that made sense.
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  • dane_peterson
    dane_peterson Posts: 1,903
    edited June 2007
    I would rather place the emphasis on the amplifier. Main reason being, preamps tend to change quite a bit more over the years... especially if it's multi-channel. Might as well save for later and get more features out of the newer pre/pros.
  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited June 2007
    Number one thing I would have done over is purchased everything from the beginning used (or refurb).

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
  • brijenjas
    brijenjas Posts: 311
    edited June 2007
    I agree with McLoki on buying used.

    I would do everything else the same though.

    I enjoyed upgrading in steps and being able to tell an audible difference in each (almost every) upgrade. Especially since I didn't really know what I was looking for at first.

    I'm still not sure exactly what I'm looking for, but I have a pretty good idea now, and it's a lot of fun looking, (though sometimes costly:D ).
  • opus
    opus Posts: 1,252
    edited June 2007
    used for me also.

    I find that I have enjoyed the baby steps.
    The Flea rig
    Hitachi 50VG825 LCD
    Rotel RSP 1066 (pre) :)-flea market
    B&K St-202 (mains)-flea market
    Carver M 200t (x2) (center and surrounds)-flea market
    Blu-Ray..PS3 (dvd player)
    Polk RTA-11t-flea market
    LsiC, Fxi30's

    Dual SVS PC-Utra's (1 port blocked) thanks MikeC78
    Behringer Feedback Destroyer
    -flea market
    AudioAlchemy DDE v1.0 DAC-flea market
    Cambridge Audio Azur 640 CDP-flea market
    Signal Cable and Kimber Kable
  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited June 2007
    if I could do my home theater all over again I would have purchased everything used instead of new and would have ended up with a way better system. but I didnt know better and had some bad advice when I started. I've learned ALOT for the wise old **** on this website
    2 CHANNEL
    Speaker - Klipsch Heresy II
    Under construction
  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited June 2007
    Used for me too..except for display.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
  • Bill Ayotte
    Bill Ayotte Posts: 1,860
    edited June 2007
    Used for me too..except for display.

    Yeah....New TV's have enough issues....:(

    All of my equipment is used as of yet.....The power conditioner open box...I am not sure there is anything besides a TV I would buy new....Maybe speakers....
  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited June 2007
    Sorry - I was thinking audio side of HT. I would purchase the display new (but the screen and everything else used... :) ) If you don't find what you want - don't get in a hurry, it will show up at the price you want eventually.

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited June 2007
    Well let's see I bought my Nak pre amp and Adcom amp new in 1986 along with the Polk RTA-11T's. I still have the pre and amp. Sold the RTA's to get LSi 9's around x-mas time and now I have SDA's.

    Not sure I'd change a thing. Keeping the same pre and amp for 21 years and speakers for 20 years must mean I like it :D .

    I went straight from a reciever to my seperates. Of course if I wasn't working at the audio store at the time I probably couldn't have afforded it back then. That accomodation pricing allowed me to get something nice.

    I'd still have my Nakamichi Dragon as well if I had a use for it. Sold that about 8-9 years ago.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • millerman 3732
    millerman 3732 Posts: 1,488
    edited June 2007
    If I had to start over again the first thing I would get is an SVS, by far the best upgrade I ever made.
    Casey
    H/T: Epson 6500ub
    Sony UBP-X800
    Toshiba HD-XA2 (HD-DVD, CD)
    Onkyo 805 (pre-amp)
    Outlaw 7125
    Polk RTi 10 (bi-amped)
    Polk CSi5 (bi-amped)
    Polk RTi6
    SVS PB 12 plus/2
    Velodyne SMS-1

    TV Rig: Samsung 50'' 4k display
    Polk Signa-1 Surround bar
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited June 2007
    Amp first, then pre/pro.
    polkaudio RT35 Bookshelves
    polkaudio 255c-RT Inwalls
    polkaudio DSWPro550WI
    polkaudio XRT12 XM Tuner
    polkaudio RM6750 5.1

    Front projection, 2 channel, car audio... life is good!
  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,606
    edited June 2007
    Audio Research VSI55 integrated tube amp used(trade in at local dealer)
    Pair of Spendor S8e's and Rega Apollo new same dealer.
    Write the check and be done with it.
    Stop reading this board- priceless!:D
    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited June 2007
    Starting from scratch, I would first find the speakers I wanted and know that I would have for a long time. Then find the right amp to power them, then get the pre, source etc...I find that there is no greater impact on sound than the speakers.
    V
  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited June 2007
    Would of bought the LSi series from the get go!
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited June 2007
    I would have bought what I wanted much earlier in the process instead of being so darn frugal. I made too many lateral and backward moves, especially with speakers.

    So after conducting lots of research, I'd buy the best front speakers I could, then slowly build everything else around it.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
  • Refefer
    Refefer Posts: 1,280
    edited June 2007
    I would have tried to audition more prior to buying. I made several lateral moves from brand to brand before finding a set of speakers I enjoy.
    Lovin that music year after year.

    Main 2 Channel System

    Polk SDA-1B,
    Promitheus Audio TVC SE,
    Rotel RB-980BX,
    OPPO DV-970HD,
    Lite Audio DAC AH,
    IXOS XHA305 Interconnects


    Computer Rig

    Polk SDA CRS+,
    Creek Audio 5350 SE,
    Morrow Audio MA1 Interconnect,
    HRT Music Streamer II
  • AndyGwis
    AndyGwis Posts: 3,655
    edited June 2007
    buying anything 2-channel used is the only way to go. I even bought my Plasma used (open box at BB for like $1400 off).

    For 2-channel, I'd probably do everything pretty much the same. I've made some strange purchases, but many were just cuz I found a great deal and wanted to try it before passing it along. Trying and learning are important to noobs, which, despite my lofty post count, is what I still am.

    For HT, I got a great deal on the Monitor speakers, subwoofer, and receiver. So, while I could've gotten more bang for my buck used, I didn't have to wait to piece together a system on Agon, and everything was new and pretty. I'm not picky about HT anyway. It bangs and booms when it should, like it should.
    Stereo Rig: Hales Revelation 3, Musical Fidelity CD-Pre 24, Forte Model 3 amp, Lexicon RT-10 SACD, MMF-5 w/speedbox, Forte Model 2 Phono Pre, Cardas Crosslink, APC H15, URC MX-950, Lovan Stand
    Bedroom: Samsung HPR-4252, Toshiba HD-A2, HK 3480, Signal Cable, AQ speaker cable, Totem Dreamcatchers, SVS PB10-NSD, URC MX-850
  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    edited June 2007
    I asked my wife this question and here is her answer (in regards to 2 channel):

    "If we had it to do all over again I'd tell you to get the system you ultimately wanted in the first place. It would save the hassel of buying, trying, selling (which includes packing up all the speakers and equipment over and over again.) It may seem more expensive but if you add the cost for buying selling shipping it actually is cheaper in the long run to get what you want in the first place. It also saves you the trouble of dealing with all the crackpots on ebay and audiogon. As it is now you have no desire to upgrade anything because everything is as you wanted it to begin with."

    Since we went to the Chicagoland Polkfest she said she'd like another SVS for the HT & maybe a Blu Ray player. After we got home I ran our SVS a little hotter and she hasn't brought up the need for another sub since. Sure another one would be cool but it definitely isn't in the budget & neither is a BRDP. As the HT is now I have no desire to upgrade. It gets the job done just fine. She's right about the 2 channel rig too. As is I have no current desire to upgrade. I'm not saying that I won't - just that I don't right now.
    Audio: Polk S15 * Polk S35 * Polk S10 * SVS SB-1000 Pro
    HT: Samsung QN90B * Marantz NR1510 * Panasonic DMP-BDT220 * Roku Ultra LT * APC H10
  • Monster Jam
    Monster Jam Posts: 919
    edited June 2007
    "If you had to do it all over again..."

    I would't have bought the TV I have now knowing what I know now. I would have spent a LOT less on it, knowing that in a few years, flat panels would be within my price range.

    As for the amp, which I've yet to get to feed the hungry LSis, I dont think I am going used. If (as unlikely as it may be) I get burnt with a bad unit, my wife will have my rear-quarter and alls I will hear till I'm packaged nicely in a pine box will be "I told you so." Further, she'd give me the reluctant go ahead for a new one when the time is right.

    My reciever is used and my sub grey market, so I tried to save cash where I could.
    Do you hear that buzzing noise? :confused:
  • W WALDECKER
    W WALDECKER Posts: 900
    edited June 2007
    I have no regrets,for me the Journey has been at least half of the fun ;) i am looking at maybe buying a pair of Silverline Sonata III's in rosewood for the tube powered rig.thanks....WCW III www.silverlineaudio.com
    Rogue Audio stereo 100 tube amplifier - Lector Zoe preamplifier with 6H30 pi's
    .Audience AU24SE speaker and ic cables- Chord Qutest DAC - Black Cat Silverstar II 75ohm digital cable-Tyler Acoustics Linbrook Signature system with large bass cabinets to accommodate 10" Seas magnesium woofers.2xhmpsuownoj.jpg
  • fatchowmein
    fatchowmein Posts: 2,637
    edited June 2007
    Thx to everyone for chiming in. If I had to do it over again, I would have bought the LSi15's first. But, if I didn't buy the R50's I would never have known about the RTi's, this site, and the LSi's.

    Now, time to save for that new amp. :)
  • Midnite Mick
    Midnite Mick Posts: 1,591
    edited June 2007
    I would have went to my new dealer first. He sells new stuff for used prices.

    I probably would also have just gotten a receiver to take care of movies. I find a friend of mine's HT adequate for me and it is run solely with a Pioneer 1014TX receiver. Good enough for me as I am more about 2 channel music vs. movies.

    Thanks,
    Mike
    Modwright SWL 9.0 SE (6Sons Audio Thunderbird PC with Oyaide 004 terminations)
    Consonance cd120T
    Consonance Cyber 800 tube monoblocks (6Sons Audio Thunderbird PC's with Oyaide 004 terminations)
    Usher CP 6311

    Phillips Pronto TS1000 Universal Remote
  • MSALLA
    MSALLA Posts: 1,602
    edited June 2007
    I would have done more research and started out with seperates and better speakers. But, being I tend to get upgradis, I wounder how much money I would have sunk into this hobby if I started at a higher level in the first place.
    Michael


    Samsung 50" HD DLP
    Yamaha RX-V2500
    (2) Outlaw 200
    Adcom GFA 555
    Sony BDP300
    Denon 2900 DVD
    Lsi9's mains
    Lsi7's rear
    Lsic center
    12.1 SVS driver in 4.53 cuft. tube
    Harmony 880
  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited June 2007
    I'd buy a $1500 integrated amp, $1500 cd player, and $1500 shelf speakers - cable it up and be DONE.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
  • AndyGwis
    AndyGwis Posts: 3,655
    edited June 2007
    RuSsMaN wrote: »
    I'd buy a $1500 integrated amp, $1500 cd player, and $1500 shelf speakers - cable it up and be DONE.


    What specific items would this include? Let me guess. DK Design Integrated. . .
    Stereo Rig: Hales Revelation 3, Musical Fidelity CD-Pre 24, Forte Model 3 amp, Lexicon RT-10 SACD, MMF-5 w/speedbox, Forte Model 2 Phono Pre, Cardas Crosslink, APC H15, URC MX-950, Lovan Stand
    Bedroom: Samsung HPR-4252, Toshiba HD-A2, HK 3480, Signal Cable, AQ speaker cable, Totem Dreamcatchers, SVS PB10-NSD, URC MX-850
  • rskarvan
    rskarvan Posts: 2,374
    edited June 2007
    I would do pretty much as I did. I'd find a system that is already put together by audiophiles (in a store) that I enjoy and work toward purchasing all the separate components separately used to make the magic happen again.

    I bought my Krell amp used.
    I bought my Theil 3.6's used.
    I bought my DAC used.
    I bought my Monarchy DIP used.
    I do have all new cables. But, all were purchased at substantial discount (50+% sales).

    It takes time.... but, the same magic that I heard new in 1991 at a store is now in my living room.